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Episode · 4 months ago

Interview w Kevin Martin from Candlebox

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Bak and Drew interview Kevin Martin, lead singer from Candlebox and discuss all sorts of things from Far Behind to Andrew Wood to the Seattle scene and Candlebox's upcoming album due out September 17, 2021. If you like music and breathing air, you won't want to miss this one.

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Hey every one and welcome to songs gonewrong where we, along with you, the fans decide of these hit songs, got itright or did those songs go wrong? I one of your host through Zaman enjoy metoday is the wonderful batons, but before we get into that, guys has always known. If you haven'tdone so ready make sure he had subscribed to make sure you get all ofour episodes and they come out and if you could also leave us a five starreview on, I tunes that it would be deeply appreciated and you can alsofollow us on twitter at songs going or drop us an email, sw, podcast g, Malcomor visit our website. Songs Gone Wrongo and we also have our own songs gonewrong play list on Potii, so you can kind of keep up the date with the songs.We discuss each episode now. What we're trying to do is kind of change thingsup just a little bit at an extra dimension to our show. So, as you guysprobably know, I'm a huge fan of playlist. My playlist have playlist, as I havesaid before, and one of the things that we are going to do is maybe once amonth or maybe every other week, we'll try to figure out the kind of the exact timing of it all. Butwe will talk about a playlist for a specific. You know scenario, forexample, so one Bacana working on is coming up in a next couple. Episodes isgoing to be a playlist that we make for summer songsand kind of talking about some of those songs, and you know sharing it with allof you. Our listeners and also another added dimension that we're going to beadding is hopefully getting more of these it's a little tricky to kind ofget them on, but we're trying to interview actual musicians and artiststo get them to come on to show and actually talk about a particular songof theirs. Now this episode is just one of those and we are insanely fortunateto have had this person come on to show to discuss a massive hit. It's apersonal favorite of mine and box, and we I mean hearing it from the person-was definitely something I'll. Definitely remember such a. It was agreat interview. It was really nice talking to him and he was very kind andyou know just a great a great person to speak with, but before we get into it,so the song we're talking about is far behind from candle box and ourinterview, if you haven't already guessed based on the notes for the showit's with Kevin Martin who's, the lead singer from Candaba and the song raterfor that now buck. What are some of your memories from that Song? FarBehind from candle box, and I would say my first recollection of that song waslike all right man. This is pretty kick ass. I I remember I was, I think it was likeninety two hundred and ninety three. I really started collecting CDIS andwanted to spend my money to get my collectionover a hundred. I remember, and the best way to do it was through ColumbiaHouse paying a was it the ten ten CD s for a penny or, and then youhave to pay. I think like three or four, I don't remember at full price. I thinkI did do it a couple times, but the first recollection really from that erawas, I remember, buying candlebox CD and I think what I had was. Basically Ihad to make sure that there was at least two to three hits on each albumfor me to justify getting an album. So...

...you far behind I mean these songs arejust like kick ass man. I I thought just after the kind of like the grundsphase was kind of going down, there was things coming out in ninetyfour. There was all collaboration of different crap and I was done with as a base. I could tellthat so far behind and CANDABA coming intointo my world, I was like man, these guys freaking rock dude, so I Iremember playing the album. I skip through a lot of songs, but far behindin you were like definitely the ones. I played a lot. It's funny. I rememberhaving my five CD changer and I'm like all right putthat in I programmed the man Bumpo Boom, then something Dr Dray and then littleguns and roses and man. So I had some pretty good memories of the song and itholds true man. It it's still rocks it's, not a song that kind of t likethrough through age and through through time. It's still a song that I that Idefinitely would jam out to yeah. I think I'm with you on that regardingthe Columbia House. Is it the Columbia House or B M? I forget, but that's whyI want them actually getting the CD, but I remember you know hearing this onthe radio first, I think it. I think I heard you and then far behind first, ifI'm not mistaken, as far as like the singles on the radio, but for me I mean,obviously the song gets kind of a sombre tune. I guess you could say, andobviously we'll be talking with Kevin about that kind of what it's about andthings like that. But for me, even though it is kind of like a somber song,it always takes me back to a happy place, because I remember like veryspecifically hearing this. I was driving around my sister like the dayof her High School Graduation Party, and I think I was in eighth grade atthe time this song was, you know, getting plenty of air play and we'redriving around running a couple errands before her party and the song comes onthe radio and it's a song that when you hear it is just like wow, this is agreat song through and through it still is. It still holds up, as you weresaying, and you know, and then like we had. You know my sister's graduation,probably as remember being you know, fourteen and just having an absoluteblast, US being a kid. You know playing volleyball in the backyard drinkingcopious amounts of sprite. I probably had like a thirty pack of SPRITE, whichprobably explains a lot of things for me, but itwas such a great song and and for me it always kind of takes me back to thatvery specific place, and it's weird how music can really do that, but yeah Imean this song. It's great. I always love it. It's always on a lot of mymixes, but the album in general every song. One here, in my opinion I think,is great and we kind of talk about that with with Kevin during the interview aswell. So without further ado, let's dig into ourinterview with Kevin Martin, the lead singer from candlebox alrightee s, thequestion: How do you like your coffee? I like it just a little bit of cream?Okay, no sure O at no? No sugar, no shoulder all right! That's a good!That's a good! That's a good mix or see! I actually take my coffee and throw itin a protein mix like a protein shake. I don't know why really it tastes good,but yeah. So I get protein that I get amp up a bit so like a blended,propeetiate Cina or something like that. Something Yeah. Something like that. SoI guess I'm a fancy coffee drinker, which I never really thought of thatuntil now, but a I have to do the black coffee, because I can only have it formy intermitting. So that's no thing I can have lumber everybody's doing theintermittent fasting is the the the bad right. It works. Man. It's easy! Are you hungry all the time now I just go to eight PM to twelve PMand that's it and I only eat between that those eight hours and that's itwow. It's not that bad! You don't do the late late snacking and you justdon't. Have Your breakfast pretty...

...interesting yeah. I should try not Ifeel like. If I try that I would probably like start choking people Iwould get Henry. I would get hangry real, quick. I think it was two monthsI lost twenty five pounds. If even I didn't do much of exercising was crazy.Where you go wow it's great yeah, but you got to stay on it. You can't go offand on on it, so yeah right cool. I call so yeah cap thanksfor jumping on appreciate it. We have a couple questions here. Youknow we well kind of go over some. You know, will let you talk about your newalbum coming up a little bit up front and then we'll kind of go back to thefirst time because, like what we do kind of on the show, as we talk aboutusually just like one song at a time and really take like a deep dive intoit and and far behind for me as all as kind of been one of those songs. I knowI kind of know the story about it, but I think it would be fun for ourlisteners to have you talk about it and then just kind of like get into thatalbum and like you're, the beginnings of candle box and kind of go from theres that sound, sound good to you, ches great cool, all right, so covey, athanks. You gaffer jumping on hopefully ovid, wasn't too bad for you. How didyou wind up making out during the pandemic? Ovid was brilliant for me in the sense that I got to actuallyspend a year and a half home with my wife and my son, you know in in thetwenty years that I've been with my wife. I don't think I've spent this much timewith her since the beginning of our relationship.You know to be perfectly honest and we still survive it. We actuallystill like one another, which I think is. You know surprising, a lot of myfriends didn't you know I have friends that got divorced in the past year wow.So for me, I made out like a champ, you know. Actually I sadly lost a couple offriends to to coved one to cancer and one just io just fartoo young of a heart attack, so that was that was really hard. My bestfriend died have a heart attack last right after Fathers Day last year, andyou know was like fifty one years old and it was just devastating, but you know life moves on and we'reonly here for a minute and you have to enjoy it as much as you can. You know you only live once and and sowe've really, my wife and my son, and I have just made the best of this pastyear and a half it's been pretty brilliant. How is your Spanish comingalong? I, you know I was a better bread makerthan I was a Spanish speaker. I did the whole Spanish thing and French- and Ican say you know small things: It's just those masculines and feminines inthose languages, the there's romantic languages that they throw me every timeto his hers and hours, but I make amazing fucking Sour Dome Man. I M nowthat Nice, the shoe verbs man, I always haveproblems with shoe verbs. I'm like come on and you is, and your wife's clothinglines going well right, yeah the clothing line. Thank you for asking me.Is I really I think that was kind of the savior for us? Youknow for me not being able to tour. I mean my last show was February twentyninth of last year and the world after my wife's Pirtha and March seventh, theworld shut down a week later and her business, because her clothing isso kind of comfortable and relaxing just took off, and you know she's been doing it ten yearsand last those three months. This is a crazy thing April may and June of lastyear. She earned more in those three months than she had in any previousyear, which is crazy yeah. So so we bought two houses, Nice yeah, it's been great, you know, thankGod, and Eli. Morn collection pays the bills yeah. I know what I mean. You know youmentioned your last tour was February from last year. I'm sure you're,looking forward to getting back out on...

...the road, especially with your newalbum coming got in September, and I so I've been listening to my weakness andI got to say so like per ar standards on this show. That is absolutely alegit hit. I actually have a hard time. Turning that one off I was it last weekI was doing some weed wagging and I just had that song on repeat the entiretime. I'm like I'm like weed whacking stuff I never wed at before. Just so, Icould listen to the song for an extra couple of minutes. Let me done easy.Another great song that came out last year, I believe, but we'll still be onthe album, correct, yeah yeah. There's two songs are on the record cool. Couldyou tell a little bit more about that album, that's coming out like when inwhat else is going to be on there? Well, it comes out September,seventeenth, it's it's been ready to go since January of last year. I finishedthe vocals January seventh last year and the record was mixed. Actually Ithink, February February, fifth, it was done so we really have been sitting onthis record. You know bar to long. It was recorded in August of two thousandand nineteen and the release date I think, was supposed to be January of thousand and twenty and then, of course,I pushed it back because I was working on vocals and lyrics and melodies,because we made such a different record for us that I wanted to make sure thateach song was represented in the best waypossible by me, because I really love all the songs on this record, and Iwanted to make sure that excuse me that I spent the correct amount of time andthe right amount of time working on these lyrics and melodies. I tend to bevery much like a girl where I'll go in the studio will track a song and I'll.Let that song kind of spark something in me and then I'llwrite lyric right there on the spot. I didn't do that with this one. I spentfour months listening to each track and forming the right melodies in the rightlyrics to support these songs, and you know it's the first record. I thinkthat that I've made where I let those I let the guys in the band really kind of do what they wanted to do.Musically, where most of the time I tend to control things in this in the sense of what I'mlooking for for the support of the record this one, it was really the there wasno rule that was laid down or any any rule that could be broken. It was if welike this song, if you bring something in, and we all feel strongly about it,we're going to record it and that's what we did so the records very, verydifferent for us, and it's very experimental in the sensethat we we did not limit ourselves and camelote. You know. In the past, almostthirty years of being a band, we've found that we would limit ourselves inthe studio with the creative elements about how we wanted to record whatinstruments we wanted to play, how we wanted the songs to blow and also thethe sinking of the album, and I the direction of which it blows your juststarting with the first song and what goes into the second song, and how doesthat blow to the third song this one? We just kind of threw it throughcaution of the wind and let it kind of dictate to us what it wanted to do and I'm really happy with it. I love it. Iwas so happy to. Let me down easy was the first single we released for peopleto kind of you know wet their Pale a little bit because it's such a rich blues, trashy rock song. You know and that'skind of what I grew up. Listening to some of my favorite music is blues and of course, Otis reading is myfavorite orb singer, so being able to kind of throw a littlesoul in the middle of that mix of that kind of a song, but really good, and itwas a great representation of where the band was headed. And then my weaknesswas is another example again what we didn't limit ourselves doing, that songwas written for me by my friend, Don beggs from a band called the whole damnmess, and- and you know I just said- I...

...want you to write me- something thatyou feel represents our relationship, our friendship and my relationship withwith my wife and my child, and that's what he gave me and, and I love thesong, it's it's it's nothing like anything. I would have ever done and Ican't write that kind of music. So I was happy that that he gave yousomething that I really loved singing and- and you know everybody loves. Youknow great etes pop sensibility, songs so like Brian Adam stuff, that he'swritten and- and I think that that that songs kind of got that hat bib to it,get your car and go yeah. No, absolutely I love that one. So let medown easy. That was, if I'm not mistaken, Co written with Peter CornellRight, who is Chris Cornell's, older brother Yeah? How was it working withhim and collaborating on that song? I be its amazing. We were old friendsfrom Seattle, which, of course, when the band took off, and you know we kindof we, everybody kind of split in Seattleand relationships went you know by the wayside, and then I moved to LosAngeles and I hadn't seen Pete in years we're doing the reunion shows inSeattle, two thousand and eighteen for the twenty fi danvers n, the debutalbum, and he came with with my manager, who is his wife, amy and, and we werecatching up- and I said Man I would love to have a song from you. We we never collaborated on anythingback in the day and I've always found peak to be an incredibly talented. Youknow musician and of course he gave his younger brother Chris, a great headstart musically when, when they played together early on before Chris StartedSoung, so you know, the talent in that family isis tenfold not to mention their sister and their mother's musical talents aswell. So he sent me this track. I said I wantedsomething that kind of out like Robert Johnson met, met, Jimmy Hendricks atthe cross roads and both of them decided to sell their souls. You knowand Nice, that's what he gave me you know and and the Acoustic version of it feelsexactly like the recorded version. So we wanted to keep that kind of thatsame energy that was captured on this kind of he played it on a dog brow witha slide and saying a little bit of melody, but he didn't have any words,and I wanted to make sure that we delivered the exact same thing that hehad delivered us. So when I send him to the Demovoi we did pre production he'slike this is exactly how I heard it. So we knew we were on the right track.Awesome ice. You must be champing at the bit to get on the road now rightbecause I feel I feel rock and roll. I really do you got to be out there.That's the way. The only way to promote it right yeah I mean to you an behonest with you, I'm not champing in to bed. No, I missed, I missed playing live and I ais touring, but you know I there's so much that goes on with itand, like I said, I've had so much fun being at home, with my wife and my son that I ve I've found this serenity andkind of and being secluded or sequestered. Ifyou will from you know crazy candle box fans, I love them very much. You know I do. Ilove our fans and without them I have no career, but you know there's something to besaid for you know finding a bit of yourself like I haveover the past year and a half that I think I maybe I lost, which was it'sokay to stop trying to please other people, it'sokay, to focus on yourself, it's okay, to find that little bit inside yourself.That makes you feel whole or a sense of of I don't know closeness with your ownfeelings. You know when you're on tour, like I have been literally for the pastalmost thirty years, you lose a lot of that person that youwere, and you become something for everybody else that you may notnecessarily want to be...

...being a rock star. Is You know everykid's dream that becomes a rock star? I mean you know. Dave girl is a perfectexample of the greatest rock star ever because he's just always doingsomething and he's always wanted, and people you know, are constantlyclamoring at him to do something God I don't wish. I had his problems,you know what I mean it's like. I I'm really enjoying being home now, that'snot to say that the minute I get on that tour bus and I get a you know acouple of whiskeys in me and I at that whole thing's going to get thrown outthe window again. But it's been really amazing man and I think mostly, I justwant people to hear this record. I want to play. It live, I'm looking forwardto that as you you know mentioned, but really it's. I want people to hear thisrecord and this. The sad thing is. Is that well not sad, but for me the difficultthing is I'm going to be on the road prior to this record coming out and I'mgoing to want to play all the songs on this record prior to that, but I'm notgoing to be able to because can obok fans. You know there are those songsthat I have to play that I want to to take out of the mix and just focus onthis record. That's not going to happen and and that's okay, you know, I meanit's, it's the it's the nature of the beast.When you have a record like our debut album, the success of that you know andto not be able to follow up the success of that, there's nothing to really takethat album's place in our career. It makes it difficult to move away fromthat. You know: bands like the food fighters, you know color and the shapeo brilliant record and ever long s an amazing song, but he's released so manygreat brilliant albums. After that wasted light and all that you knowamazing songs on their pretender, you know he's always been able to kind ofsupersede that the color in the shape I've never had that success. So I'mgonna, you know I'm I'm stuck to really playing that debut album which can befrustrating at times. To be honest with you, if I'm going to be perfectlyhonest when you toured with rush, they probably I mean some of those rush fanswere like all right. I want to hear this. I one to hear that and they'relike I don't give a shit. Ahi' going to play rush was interesting and theytaught us a lot about respecting our audience and and givingthe best show we could possibly give, but they were, they were funny. I meanthere were those songs that they would not play and we would tease them in ourset like working man passage, Bang passage to Bankok a couple of songsfrom two thousand twelve that we knew they weren't playing in their set, andwe would we do that just to kind of get the audience round them and then theywouldn't play it. And you know there were a couple nightsafter the shows where they would come to us and say: Hey, can you you guys N,don't don't play that on because we're not like set, you know, O it was fun. They were great guys man.They were honestly the most amazing kind of gracious gentlemen. We've ever had thepleasure of touring with, and you know when neo passed last year,that was that was just now it was. That was hard, I think, not only for youknow, people that knew him, but a whole world of musicians. It learned how toAir Drub to rush. You know for o yeah and you started off as a drummer, Yepyeah air, drumming to rush there. You go nice yea now going back, I mean youwent you lived in Illinois, then you went to San Antonio E l. How was thatlife when you, when you got to Seattle? You were like fourteen fifteen yearsold right and then you got into the punk scene and everything. What waswhat was going on in Seattle because everybody came out of there like whatwas just just give me a Lilie snap at sof. What life was when you were likeyour teen years and getting together with people and starting to form, bandsand stuff like that, just kind of curious that that time, yeah Seattlewas interesting man. I moved here, one thousand nine hundred and eighty four...

...in the middle of my sophomore year, and it was God I was so much different than SanAntonio. I mean I was a mid West Kid. My father was a salesman, so you knowwe moved us around a lot taking. You know jobs of companies and I think thelast one he had his pace pace, conte sauce and then his old boss from a company called carry salt as moveSeattle, and I was not happy about it. You know it was like a year afterMountain Helen's exploded or something I was like what the hell is up there. Idon't you know anything about this place and and of course I was not, you know-excited to look at the farmer's Almanac and realize that it rains nine monthsout of the year either. You know see twenty. I was a skate board kid andthat's what I wanted to do and I thought that was going to be my career.was you know, professional skateboards, or something like that. So here I ammoving to a city where I'm not going to be able to ride my skate board anywhere.You know even the island that we moved to Mercer Island. The you were, Iwasn't even allowed to ride. My skateboards on sidewalks I gotpulledover by a cop is like what the fuck is. This you know sidewalk a weirdplace yeah. I still I still skate a when I son, I'm not anywhere near whatI was when I was a teenager, but I can certainly ride the thing and have funon it, but so he moved to this place that isincredibly dark and- and you know the winter months are really really hard. Ithink it's the same latitude is like London, you know it's like justright there, along that same line that it's just this constant brewing of coldweather and rain, and so really the only thing you had to do was basicallysit in your basement and do drugs and and play music. I meanthat was kind of what it was, but those moments that I was able tohead downtown. I had two friends that I met in high school, Sara and John. Thattook me to my first concert at Grilla Gardens. It was, you know it was mind,blowing them the music that was coming out of the city. You know seeing soundgarden as a three piece when Chris was playing drums and singing was another thing that was spectacular,you'd, never seen a drummer that could wail like that and be a brilliantdrummer. You know not to mention stepping out. You know then becoming aguitar player years later, a brilliant guitar player. I mean what anincredible talent and the city had a lot of that, and I remember feeling atthe rifle age of fifteen that you know whatever I had set out toaccomplish in San Antonio Texas was no longer going to be my world. It wasgoing to be music and- and I started really focusing on that and playingdrums and puck bands, and you know trying to to become the musician that Iwanted to become and that whole city feed speeds that energy well, itcertainly did at the time. I don't know what it's like there now. I don't livethere, but it had this. It just was like brewing like a greatbrewery, great beer. You know it was brewing great musicians. It wascreating this sense of we don't really give a fuck what youthink we're going to play the music we want to play and that's what we'regoing to do, and there's also really in sexual side of that city, musically,every single one of those bands. You know that became successful in oneyou know one time or another played with either mark arm or Chris Cornel or Jerry Catre, or you know buzz or any of the guys fromfrom Tat Day at one point or another they had all played in a band togetherI mean it was like it was just this Clicky, you know high school musicalscene and they and they stuck together. You know it was. It was difficult to bea young musician in that city, trying to make a name for yourself, becausenobody wanted to hear anything about Cantabo.

You know if you weren't, you know sound garden, Green RiverMalfunction, mother love bone, also chains. If you weren't any of those bands, MoDhoney, you know for another example, you know of what happened. Nobodyreally gave you shit what you're doing, of course, in Ivana as well, but do that was yeah. It was difficultman. It was really hard to find a place in that kind of. You know that as a freshman, you don't really go to alot of senior parties. You know what I mean and that's kind of what we were.We were. You know when those guys are all twenty one years old, Pete andmyself and Barty. We were fifteen sixteen years old, there's a bigdifference between you know, five years and in a age you know. So when we didfinally kind of release, our denot are one thousand nine hundred and ninetytwo, and when we got signed it was kind of like who the fuck candle box. Youknow where these guys come out sort of thing and it was amazing. Thank you, asit was a great record amazing record man, your fucking rock star, Dude, hello. It I was, I was trying to do themath with withdrew. I was like it's point: zero zero serves Eros there, onepercent or rock stars, and that beats football baseball. I mean thank you.Thank you very much yeah. Well, it is a small percentage and you know I'm very lucky. I pinchedmyself every single day, man, I you know. I mentioned the fans before Imean without those guys thirty years ago, you know almost thirty years ago.Buying that debut album. I don't know you know what I'd be doingright now. I didn't have a college degree. I didn't Finish College. Istarted my first week and then you know the band was on the verge gettingsigned and- and I was like well maybe I need to just kind of not focus oncollege right now and focus on music, so it was a. It was a tough decision to make I mean,of course, you know coming from Seattle as something was bound to happen, but alot of our contemporaries. The bands that we started out with the e werefriends with Green Apple, quick, step, sweet water, a lot of those bands truly another,really great ban. None of them had near the success we had, so it I'm very, very lucky about him, I'mincredibly incredibly blessed to have have made a record that allowed me todo this. For my entire career awesome yeah, that album was, I still listen to it out like on, like apretty constant rotation. I mean it's so good, maybe like number wise like tolike. I got recognized writing in a peak. That number was it seven on thebill war, two hundred L was it four four times platinum so, like thenumbers also supported their music more than supports it, but we were talking about the other dayhow we actually got the album Cavin, I'm sorry, but I feel like wegot ours from either Columbia House or B M. I apologize I saw I saw at theoriginal CD, though so so I still have the original. I still have a bill. Ithink from me too. I think everybody does yeah, but those albums- I mean you knowgetting going going back to that initial album I mean the very firstsong. Don't you, I feel, like that's, probably one of my favorite songs, likenot only from the album, but all time like it's just the energy on that song.I feel like it's hard to match it like. It starts off with a high level ofenergy and it actually builds on it. So when thesong ends, here's actually it's bigger than what it started with which I feellike is tough to do I just given. You know howgood that song was. You know it just got better, which it already was goodto begin with, is an amazing song and then change another great song. Theverses are kind of you know chill, and you get kind of crushed in that course.I love that one you I mean it's a good song. I don't know whatelse to say about it's a great song, we're not recording you real, quick,Sar you when you say fuck you at the...

...end. What did you just plan? That wasthat I always at the was that always in the song or when you were doing youknow that was always there. That was that was. That was one of the firstthings you wrote, so our base player Perry had left a band and Bardy camedown for rehearsals and I had I was in high school with Barty's sister. Iwould have been in high school with him as well, but he was in Ireland on aforeign exchange program. So so I didn't know him in high school,but a friend of ours friend that I mentioned earlier, Sarah and John whohad taken me downtown for the first time they said Hey, you know, BardyLaura's brother is a base player and he's looking for a GIG. So he came downto her son that that, and far behind, this is the two songs that he brought so the energy from from what he hadcreated made it very easy to sing to and and to write those words. You know the fuck. You was really aboutme kind of getting off of my addiction to drugs. You know I mean when I I gotkicked out of my house, because I stole money for my parents. You know, like Imentioned earlier, you do drugs, you drink beer and you make music inSeattle, and I was one of those kids. You fell into that trap, so that was really just me, remindingmyself of who I was and not going back to that, and- and you know it's one ofthose words I find that you know fuck is probably the you know, the greatestword: that's ever been written and it can be used for so many things, that'sright, but certain, but certainly to remind yourself of things not to doit's a great way to remind yourself and and that's so. That word was always inthe in the bridge section as well as the atrae Song I yeah yeah. Thebeginning of the album is amazing that, and you is such a good song and yeah,that you definitely feel the kind of like the anger and like the power inthat song to no sense another one. Nice contrastseem like the verse and the course probably one of the best solos on thealbum. If not of the decade I mean it's such a great song and then we get tofar behind right, so that's kind of, and as I was mentioning before, likewhat we do on this shows really kind of dig down to the lyrics. This is kind ofthe one I wanted to focus on just a bit, namely because a couple of months agowe did an episode on Wood from Alison Chains and I've. I've read that farbehind sometimes comes across as kind of like a suicide note, but I don'tthink that is the case. But what is far behind about? What's about Andrew Wood, I met Andywhen I was sixteen in Seattle was working with Susan Silver at a shoestore called flu bog and Susan was managing sound garden, alson chainsscreaming trees, I believe maybe the melvine several bands, Susan SilverManagement. She still actually manages sound garden to to this day, but the guys would come in to getflyers. Her office was behind the Fubo store in a a place called in at themarket, and so they would come in to the plyers. And you know Seattle wasone of the cities where you could. You know plaster the Hell Out of telephonepoles, because all the telephone polls are wood and so all the guys were coming to get toplyers. That's where I met Jerry and land. The first time run Chris Kim heroon a moto, Andy Stone Jeff. For me, that's they all came in there. It wasyou know it was kind of the scene, even though it was a shoe store. They wouldcome in and hang out and it was down on first avenue, so pipple market. Whereelse you goin to you, know, hang but down there and and- and it was one of those charactersthat just if he came in you know he was going to be there for at least an hour,and he would just talk about music and he was the first musician that everreally kind of shared. Any kind of insight with me as to you know what it takes to be. Amusician and what he loves about music and why he knows that it's the only thing thathe's supposed to do- and you know also...

...told me the time. Don't ever letanybody tell you, you can't do this. You know at fuck than if you can dowhatever you want and and that's the beauty of being a rock star and amusician, and you know- and he was one of those guys- you looked like he waslike a mixte, Freddy Mercury and axles. You know he's just his beautifullybrilliant, incredibly gifted musician and and of course he was Chris'sroommate and, and you know they were damned their constant battles back andforth. Cue could write a better song, so everybody loved Dandy, but I reallyloved him just just so because he was so kind to me. I mean I was a sixteenyear old kid and he's sharing his secret with me, and that doesn't happena lot you know. Yeah I mean I certainly could have. I couldhave used a lot more of that kind of guidance later on in my career is amusician from some of those guys that had succeeded, but you know I didn't Ididn't get any of that. So you know ye peaks and valleys ofbeing a musician there durenius. So when Andy passed and Barty hadbrought that song in, we were actually rehearsing in motherlove, bones old rehearsal room and the song the way Barty was playing it. It felt it felt like a song of loss anda song of heartbreak, and you know the whole city when Andy died,kind of, took a major step back and just said what the fuck is happeninghere, and I mean lane got sober. A lot of musicians got sober when Anniepassed and it tried to stay sober. But ultimately you know with thesuccess of Temple of dog and those kinds of you know brilliant records it.It reminded the city that again we're supposed to make music, and so therewas again a rebirth of the rocker roles coming out of the city, so I felt it was my job to explain my emotional attachment to Andy, and sothe lyrics were initially now Andy. I didn't mean to treat you bad, but I didit in a way and Andy. Some UN say your life was sad, but you lived in any wayand then, when we got in studio to record it I didn't want to be. I didn't want to be that obvious,because the song is written from the perspective of the drug that controlledAndy. It is the drug speaking jam. I didn't choose you, you chose me, I amwhat I am I'm heroin. This is. This is the dark side of the world we live inand if you choose this, you may not get out of it alive, and so that's how Iwrote the song. So that's why I changed the lyric from Andy to maybe I didn'twant to be as direct or, as you know, painfully obvious. I wanted the song tobe a little bit more, I guess universal, maybe universal and Biblis and and vault and volatile. You know I wanted people to feel the emotionthat I felt when I sang it and and what Annie meant to me. So that's reallywhat the songs about it's the drug, saying to him. You know I didn't needto treat you bad, but I did it. That's what I do I'm here. You know not a lotof people survived me and and yeah it's you know it's the songs. It'snever changed for me. You know it's never lost its. It's never lost its emotion, I'll singthat song to the day I die. I love that song every time I sing and I thinkabout Andy and and that's you know one of the greatest gifts that you can haveas a musician is when you can write something like that that you're soattached to that you do one ting it every night and youwant to hear five thousand ten thousand fifteen. Twenty thousand people singthat back to you five hundred fifty. You know it's always funny. When I go into aKarioi bar and people, don't know I ham, and somebody does that all you know you know I'm like it's it's so it's sogreat! You know. Guy I mean I actually wrote something that people want tosteal: Fucking Sang, A and and and I'm...

...sitting here listening to him. I thinkit's hilarious and I love it. I do Karak and I won't sing for Y ad, but I've tried. I can't do you. I can do Bfifty tors and that's about it. Nothing wrong an be fifty two man,grunter quick lots of venues you went through. I meanyou sold out Maison Square Garden, correct! No, we don't sell that out onno kind of rush on that yeah, okay, but being there and like how about woodstock, the wood stock, ninety four wood stock! What what day did you go on?What was kind of the vide? There kind of give me a little bit recollection ofthat. Well, we were the we were the Friday night ad. So so I guess when we had just finished up the rush tourin April of ninety four and we were going out to do some dates witha band called eleven prior to us doing aMetallica tour and there was rumor that they were going to be adding a Fridaynight just because the Saturday and Sunday nights were so successful andMetallica was playing, I believe, the Saturday night as the headliner, and since we were going to be touringwith them our agent reached out to to the company that was putting on woodstock binding for and so listen. If you add this Friday night candle locksgoing to be it with METALLICA. We, you know we happen to play the show and herlike. As a mattr of fact, we are riding the Friday night and we would love themto to be the second from the closer, theclosers going to be the violent fems, and because we have the number sevenrecord in the country, actually, the only band at Woodstock to have a recordin the top ten of billboard. Two hundred at the time as well so they're like we would love to havecandlebox, be the second from them from the end. So we finished out the Fridaynight show we went on stage, I think it and ten o'clock and we were off byeleven and then the violet dams were from, like eleven fifteen till tilltwenty on a Friday night, then in prior to us was collective soul and live, andthen a couple of the bands that were on that Friday night bill as well in themain stage. So it was pretty spectacular, I mean we were. We wereobviously you know super proud to be playing it and andand very excited, but at the same time wehad been, you know we played Madison Square Garden with rush. We toured withrush, you know and we're on tour METALLICA. Imean it's not really like that, tops it, and then you step out on stage andthere three hundred thousand people you go fuck everything else. We got thisunbelievable. So it was, it was mine, blowing man itwas. It was just the greatest experience that that a musician can have and when youstep out in there is just a wave of people. That is, it's unending. It's you just can't see it's like looking atthe ocean. You know when you stand on the e you standing on the ocean you'relooking out, there's just nothing on the horizon, except water and water andwater, that's kind of what it's like and they wouldn't let you watch theother bands from the side of the state. So they wanted you to experience thespinning of the stage when you, when you turn around there's all thesepeople. It was spectacular man, we we really. We had a. We had a blast. Wehad a couple of you know. Mishaps. Like my cable came out, I asked my tour manager to give me ahundred and fifty feet of cable. He gave me fifty feet of cave, live a and I you know I back when I refusedto use some wireless Mike, which I still don't use- wireless smike phones,I don't like them, but at the time I probably should have because the stagewas basically, I think it was three hundred yards wide from end to end. Sothere were these ramps on this end and a rap on that end and you could tofootball fields in, let you know so it was pretty amazing or maybe it's justone and a half a Ballfield, but it felt...

...like to, but it was. It was quite theexperience man we enjoyed it and then it got to stay the night and we watchedthe next day. I watch Henry Rollins who we were about to do the European tourwith delight and then we had to head into. I think we got to watch METALLICAset and we had to leave immediately that night to get to the next Gig withthem, which was, I believe, in New Jersey. So we didn't get to see the descendat onShenanigans, but it was good. Will you get over a hundred and eighty conte? Isthat correct? How many consens you do in ninety forty? That was a hundred. Ithink I was a hundred eighty seven hundred and ninety- that's that's a lot.I ever I mean you must be exact, must havebeen exhausted, I'm still exhausted yeah. I know it's. You know I was a kidan I was twenty four years old was I skateboards every day I had a lot ofenergy. You know I it was normal. You know I me N. I was normal to do. Eightnine ten shows in a row as a singer. I can't do that now. I can maybe do five,but you know I didn't really know how to sing back.Then I was you know as a drummer that became a singer, I'm still thereluctantly singer of candlebox. I would much rather be playing drums.It's my passion singing I enjoy sing, but it's not some. It's nota real passion. I know that might seem strange to some people, but it's thetruth. So I you know. I really learned how tosing after that record after Lucy. What happen bills came around us when Ireally kind of found my voice and when I was capable of as a singer and what my my real talents or as a singer,I didn't. I didn't really learn until pathies and and I'm a much biggerbetter singer now than I was even in ninety eight. Could you sing and drumlike? Is that possible? Would you ever do something like yet I do it. I do itall the time I did it. You know I did it back then, like you know jokinglywhen I mentioned earlier that I air drum to to rush, I mean that's really.I used to play Tom Sawyer and sing it that was kind of what I wanted, becauseI wanted to be a well rounded musician in the sense of I didn't just want tobe a drummer and not have some sort of thing to do with it, and so that's whatI would do when I would play drums, I would sing the songs I was working onor I was writing where I would sing the song I was playing to I still when I do a lot during soundchecks. Is I put my air buds in I'll play? You know five or six of myfavorite songs when Dave a robin aren't. You know in there during sound checkand and I'll run through them on the drum set by myself, singing him andplaying them just to kind of keep my chops up. I love drumming. So so much I mean it's.It's just everything to me. It's the biggest, throw awesome, yeah! Wellspeaking, so speaking of drummers, who also sing so you did a side projectwith Morgan rose from seven dust. How? How did you guys wind up, meeting andhooking up with with those guys? Well, I did years ago we did a thing, this couple of guys called Lenny andjets of sorcy. They had a band called infinite staircase that toured withlike Black Label Society and stuff and they're two songwriting brothers thatknew Morgan. I think, through the Black LabelSociety to where they did and and they had Morgan producing some songs forthem and and I think, even playing drums for them as well, and they wantedto do a charity for the Hurricane Sandy that hit the eastcoast because there's noth from I believe Long Island and maybe new, no Staten Island, I'm sorrystating so they asked me if I would come out andsing on the song and and they were doing it with Jack Wild Jd, Zach and jdfrom black label, Morgan on drums and lending on guitar and and asked me if Iwould come and sing- and I said sure so...

...they blew me out to to New Jersey tothe studio they were working in. That's what I met Morgan. I wrote the lyrics on the plane, thesongs called the pride and it really is about kind of that that pride that NewYorkers have in Long Island sat in Island Brooklyn. You know Queens the support system, they kind of haveit the great passion they have to that city of New York, and so that's whatthe song was called and Morgan said to me. He's like hey man. We should do aproject like let's do something with Lenny and you know and turn it insomething, and so I brought Adam my base player in and we wrote like sixsongs come and they needed a name born. I said while I was in France and theysaid what kind of name should we call Le should call the banes and what aboutLa Prega, which is the project? This is basically what it is and, and that wasit and we never finished it. I think we have six songs done and we've nevergotten around to finishing the rest of the record, but we tell you something:Morgan Rose it mother, fuckers, an amazing song, writer, Brilliant Drummer, Grey Guitar Player.Just a fascinating human being musically and a lovely guy to boot Imean just a beautiful, energetic, empathetic,caring gentle soul of a monster of a drummer. I mean really a blast to playwith, cannot play, can't just go down to de do don't he cannot do that, it'snot in his blood, and it's got to be because it to do. But it's got to belike all these kind of movements, because he's just that person andthat's funny, because at the end of the song save yourself when I was like it'sjust, you know fanatis like I can't do that, and I was like what do you mean youcan't do it, but that's another thing that about him. Man He's just he's sucha busy gifted drummer that that simple, you know for on the floor. Step down.Pattern just doesn't exist for him, which I think is funny, but you knowteaches on yeah, drummer, Wucking, beautiful human being yea. I loveMorgan, awesome, yeah and you said so with Woodstock you were playing, Ithink, was it after live. I actually had a question about woodstock. If Icould, if I could go back there, I have the double album and I think thesong that they picked was Arrow from you guys, and I always I always crackup every time I hear, but at the beginning of the song you're like it'sgood to be here. Where Madonna, what was what was? was that just like arandom joke or what was the? was there anything behind that? Because just yeahnow it had everything to do with the fact that you know people were makingfun of her for starting this label. You Know Mavick records and you know I was wearing the Madona shirtjust to really pay respect. or I mean this is a woman who gave us. You knowan opportunity to be a successful rock band and they put a lot of money behindus and they believed in us, and you know I I really respected her for fortaking a step and putting herself out there. You know not to mention Freddiede man who was her manager at the time and was manned e to manage MichaelJackson. Lino Richie, you know they had this vision for this label and we were their first choice and I reallywas just saying you know you guys go fuck yourselves. You can talk all thekind of Shit you want, but this woman's Got a vision for this label and it'sgoing to change the world and of course it did death tones a lot of us more set.Prodigy I mean the list goes on and on they had muse before anybody would signmuse. You know so it was a. It was a really just a way to say you know,there's a lot more to this woman than you know. A Pop Saro had naked picturesof herself taken when she was. You know, nineteen to pay the bills. I mean she's,an incredibly talented, gifted visionary and that's what it was about, not to mention I knew she was watchingthe ship so...

...as always always helps, and so right,so speaking of side projects and would stock kind of tying it all together.Right, you were with the Gracious. Few, has basically you and was the most of the guys from liveright. Then a chat Yep I've listened to that I've always been a live fan. I was like putting putting you in there,I'm like boy, that's a good mix to a are you any plans of maybe doing somework with them again. You know: We've threatened one another that we're goingto do it. That was a labor of love. You know that was really those guys weregoing through a lot of shit with Ed leaving and what they were doing withemotionally in that world being a band, it's losing the front man and you knowI was feeling a bit stifled in Cantabo at the time, the direction that I wanted to take theband musically. I was not feeling support from from the band members thatI was playing with Pete and Scott at the time, so I I was given theopportunity to record with Patrick and chat and Chadand I took it and we made this record and it you know I was out of her ownpocket. There was no label support. I think we did a distribution deal withred, but there was no money in it. Really. It was, it was Chad, Patrick's, Chad, myself in ShanHennessee, Memphis Tennessee Guitar player from candlebox that spent every dollar. We had to make thatrecord and and we we had a blast doing it, but, like I said you know, wethreatened to do it again, just because it's a threat because we financially itwould break us unless you know a label word to give us money to do it. It'sjust. It really was a very expensive project for us to take on, because the enormity as to which werecorded it the producers we used the mixers we used all of it. You know weput our heart and souls into a to that record and I think you can hear it. I mean there's amazing songs in thatalbum. I just I wish that. Maybe a label out there realized thevalue of a band like that. You know we wrote some some great songs and- and weput on amazing, shows I mean we been out and toured ourselves. We we tortedthe bus, we parked at our RV parks and COA parks.We didn't take any hotels, we did. We did door deals on the tour we did doguarantees we just said: Pay Us what the door makes. We wanted to kind of goback to our roots as young musicians and, and that was the opportunity gaveus. I think that we may be thought it might be. You know itwas a little bigger than it actually was, which I think kind of hurt us inthe sense that we were expecting things. Our expectations were a little high,but I think we still delivered an amazingrecord and I wish more people had heard it. I wish that it was something thatyou know: People who were huge fans of live and huge fans of Cantabo. Just youknow, said God. We got this great record and we need to spread the wordabout it. If it had come out now. I think we may have had a little moresuccess because of social networking and that bi, but I think because wemade that in two thousand and ten, so it's ten years old now and Iliou knowthe world's a lot different now yeah so kind of talking about right like thethe money you guys had to put up and stuff. So would there be anything orany insights that you wouldn't mind sharing because, like with like ourright with our regular listeners here like what are just some things that,like the regular fan, might not know about the music industry, man, the there's, so many things read the fine lines. I really, if you, if you're a musician, you knowhave a great attorney, that's doing your contract, you know pay payattention to that. You know it's really.

It's a! I think art in general hasalways lost at the hands of agreed, and you know art is always the last thingthat people think about and music and is that art form that you know without it, none of us wouldhave really anything to do with our our days. I mean it's musics everywhere,it's cost you, your car is going to drive by with music on you're going tohave somebody's house is going to have music on you. Your door bell is in thekey of e. your phones got a jingle to it. I mean music's everywhere and it'sbeen a part of our lives for thousands and thousands and thousands of yearsand the crazy thing about it is that without it we would all kind of, I feel,lose our minds. You know it is the one thing that I think can bring an entire group of people together, even with thewith the most random of opinions and the darkest of thoughts. You know acandle box fan might be, you know, want not want to have anything to do withthe person standing next to him in a concert, but at that moment you know inthat content with the music they're standing right next to them, and andthat's the thing, the beauty of music, but it gets raked man it gets destroyedby greed and by you know the monsters that have created these crazy fucking. You know record labelsand monopolies of of ownership and he take and they take and they take andthey get nothing back to the artist and and that's really it's so difficult tomake money selling records now and it's so difficult, even touring I mean hadwe not had the pandemic for everybody to kind of take a step back and realizehow much you know I mean you're going to see, shows this year where themusicians are going to be out of their fucking minds on stage, because they'regoing to be so excited to be playing you're, going to see energy from thesebands that you've never seen or you haven't seen in years for them, becausewe've all realized the importance of how much that live, show means not onlyto the bandsmen to us. You know what we love about. You know those people beingthere for us, and you know I think that's maybe the thingthat it fans kind of forget is that we love them just as much as they love usand we men out outstand say it all the time we may not show it all the time,and we may talk about you know I don't want to fucking, do meat and greets andall this bull shit that goes along with it, but at the end of the day we doknow the importance of the fans, and we do respect that. You know a lot respect our maybe sense of experimentation,sometimes with records, and let us go do what we do as artists, because youlove us and eventually we'll give you something that you're you know you'recrazy about, but allow us that freedom as artists tocreate that music, that we want to create and and don't talk, shit aboutit. Sage words. Yes, Shit, don't talk it. So I speak of touring. Do you do youguys have a tour lined up yet for your new album? Oh, you do yeah yeah yeah.We start in August. We're out until November awesome is that so is that,and I was going to also talk about your website right. So that's where peoplecan go to was it Canzaca right kind of box? Can a box rocks R C cast catboxrocks to cos some one took to mason, create Massol and Korea is goingcandlebox, son of a bitch course all right, so candle box rocks com becauseI was checking out I'm actually going to put on myself for a pre order forthe vinyl, and I have to do a check. The tour dates are the tour dates onthere as well? No, no, we won't be. I don't think we're announcing, becausewe're still finalize because of like this morning we just had a. We had acomprene call about the insurance policies and what the promoters areexpecting of masked andnon mask.

You know, got a patrons. You know Imean it's there's a lot of things that we still have to figure out. As touringmusicians. I mean the insurance is going to be through the fucking roof, but you know: can we be heldresponsible if somebody comes through show and has coved and gets otherpeople sick, those types of things which now you never had to think aboutbefore, so we are still finalize our tour dates with our agent. Now awesomeman, perfect yea, definitely keep her eyes off for that any any vacationplans. Australia, plans, baby, no, no we'd love to Australia's, not allowingno anybody in without the two weeks, quarantine, they're, very slow, veryslow to picking up on the vaccine as well. Australia is an interesting place.It's an incredibly beautiful, wild, free, kangaroos and crazy shit as a country.It's incredibly policed, they're very, very controlling the government is andthe government's just not ready to I mean they shut down state boardersthere. There are seven states in Australia and, like example, Byron Bayis in New South Wales. If you want to cross over to Queensland to go up tothe Gold Coast, you had to have a permit to do that. The city was not.They would stop you at the that border on the highway and turn your ass rightaround and say you wow yeah, so an incredibly policed country, and so we don't have any plans. Go therefor the holidays. My Wife's died because she hasn't seen her her family.Now in a year and a half which is you know, difficult, she's, Australian, but there's talks of US going overthere late next summer for touring so fingerscrossed that happens. You know, that's a that's something. We've been dying todo since the S we've never toured Australia, so fingers cross. Thathappens, but vacation wise, no man, I I've got so much work. You know to do to get ready for this. For thisupcoming August states, I'm you know on a treadmill every day in my spin bike,you know whatever I've got to do to kind of get my ass in shape. With a youknow, the past year and a half I took off so that's my vacation plan is tohead down to the garage and get the exercise in. I like that, would be a great tourismposted by the way for Australia, Kangaroos and crazy shit, Truman, othing, an Australia, tu oveverything astral's trying to kill you, I'm not lying. No, I know yeah, I feellike with my kids. You know we're always like reading on. You knowanimals and stuff and they love watching like nature shows, and I feellike whenever we google, like the deadliest, whatever like snake spite orwhatever it's like. Oh, this is an Australia. Oh, this is an Australia,yeah, so yeah! No, I believe you Mam. I believe you cool back anything else. You want toadd, or we I'm just. Thank you. Thank you for taking the time with US man. Ireally poll my pleasure yeah, my friends, a love in everything. Luckwith the family. Go luck with the door, get the luck with everything man! Thankyou. Thank you very much. Yeah thanks a gain. Kevin really appreciate takingtime the new album is out September. I'm sorry when you said of Septemberseven, seventeen seventeen so guys make sure you take take a look at that andwhen those tour dates are posted, make sure you go check out candle box, goodcool and your instar handle candle box. I do an Insara, don't whatam I? I am Kevin Martin, I am Kevin Martin,that's so creative, so creative it works man. It works well, thanks again, Niceguys, yeah! Thank you, give an appreciate. It we'll see it all rightguys. Well, hopefully, you enjoyed that interview with KevinMarand. I know both back and I did. We both are clearly fans of far behindit's a legit hit. Honestly, if you don't like that song, I don't knowwhat's wrong with you. Maybe talk to a therapist or somebody, it's a greatsong. It's also a great album. I highly recommend you check it out alsoSeptember. Seventeenth is when the new candlebox album comes out, and Ibelieve he has some Torda right now on...

...the website. Candlebox Rocko so checkthose out and go see him. If you can, I think, there's going to be more dates,probably showing up soon so kind of keep an eye on that as well. So thanksfor body for listening and as always, you can find us on twitter in Stagra atsongs gone sent us an email, sw podcast at glom and thanks everybody forlistening to songs, Gone Wrong.

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