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Episode · 1 year ago

Interview w Kevin Martin from Candlebox

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Bak and Drew interview Kevin Martin, lead singer from Candlebox and discuss all sorts of things from Far Behind to Andrew Wood to the Seattle scene and Candlebox's upcoming album due out September 17, 2021. If you like music and breathing air, you won't want to miss this one.

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Hey everyone, and welcome to songs gone wrong, where we, along with you, the fans, to side if these hit songs got it right or did those songs go wrong? One of your host drew Zachman, and enjoining me today is the wonderful Bock tonious. But before we get into that, guys, as always known, if you haven't done so already, make sure you hit subscribe to make sure you get all of our episodes and they come out, and if you could also leave us a five star review on Itunes, that would be deeply appreciated. And you can also follow us on twitter at songs gone or drop us an email sgw podcast at gmailcom or visit our website, songs gone wrongcom, and we also have our own songs gone wrong playlist on spotify, so you can kind of keep up the date with the songs we discuss each episode. Now what we're trying to do is kind of change things up just a little bit at a an extra dimension to our show. So, as you guys probably know, I'm a huge fan of playlists. My playlists have playlist, as I have said before, and one of the things that we are going to do is maybe once a month or maybe every other week. What we'll try to figure out the kind of the exact timing of it all, but we will talk about a playlist for a specific, you know scenario, for example. So one back and are working on is coming up in the next couple episodes, is going to be a playlist that we make for summer songs. It kind of talking about some of those songs and, you know, sharing it with all of you are listeners. And also another added dimension that we're going to be adding is hopefully getting more of these. It's a little tricky to kind of get them on, but we're trying to interview actual musicians and artists to get them to come on the show and actually talk about a particular song of theirs. Now this episode is just one of those and we are insanely fortunate to have had this person come on the show to discuss a massive hit. It's a personal favorite of mine and box and we, I mean hearing it from the the person was definitely something I'll definitely remember such a it was a great interview. Is Really Nice talking to him and he was very kind and, you know, just a great a great person to speak with. But before we get into it. So the song we're talking about is far behind from candlebox and our interview, if you haven't already guessed based on the notes for the show's with Kevin Martin, who's the lead singer from candle box and the songwriter for that. Now back. What are some of your memories from that Song? Far Behind from candlebox, and I would say my first recollection of that song was like all right, man, this is pretty kick ass. I remember I was I think it was like one Thusneos, two hundred and ninety three. I really started collecting CDs and wanted to spend my money to get my collection over a hundred, I remember, and the best way to do it was through Columbia House pay. And was it the ten? Ten CDs for a penny or and then you have to pay, I think like three or four, I don't remember, at full price. I think I did do it a couple of times. But the first recollection really from that era was remember buying candlebox CD and I think what I had was basically I had to make sure that there was at least two, two, three hits on each album from me to justify getting an album. So you far behind I mean these songs were...

...just like kick ass. Man. I thought just after the kind of like the gruns phase was kind of going down, there was things coming out ninety four, there was all collaboration of different crap and I was done with ace of base. I could tell you that. So far behind and candlebox coming into into my world, I was like man, these guys freaking rock dude. So I remember playing the album as get through a lot of songs, but far behind, and you were like definitely the ones I played a lot. It's funny. I remember having my five d CD Changer and I'm like all right, put that and I program the man, boom boom boom, and something Dr Dre and then little guns and roses and man. So I had some pretty good memories of the song and it holds true. Man, it it's still rocks. It's not a song that kind of like through through age and through through time. It's still a song that I that I definitely would jam out to. Yeah, I think I'm with you on that. Regarding the Columbia House, is it the Columbia House or BMG? I forget, but that's why I want them actually getting the CD. But I remember, you know, hearing this on the radio first, I think it. I think I heard you, and then far behind first, if I'm not mistaken, as far as like the singles on the radio. But for me, I mean obviously the song gets kind of a somber tune, I guess you could say, and obviously we'll be talking with Kevin about that kind of what it's about and things like that. But for me, even though it is kind of like a somber song, it always takes me back to a happy place because I remember, like very specifically hearing this. I was driving around my sister like the day of her High School Graduation Party and I think I was in eighth grade at the time, and this song was no getting plenty of airplay and we're driving around running a couple errands before her party and the song comes on the radio and it's a song that, when you hear this, is like wow, this is a great song through and through. It still is, it still holds up, as you were saying, and you know, and then like we had, you know, my sister's graduation probably as remember being, you know, fourteen and just having an absolute blast. Is beany kid, you know, playing volleyball in the backyard, drinking copious amounts of sprite. I probably had like a thirty pack of SPRITE, which probably explains a lot of things for me. But it was such a great song and for me it always kind of takes me back to that very specific place and it's weird how music can really do that. But yeah, I mean this song is it's great. I always love it. It's always on a lot of my mixes. But the album in general, every song on here, in my opinion, I think is great, and we kind of talked about that with with Kevin during the interview as well. So, without further ado, let's dig into our interview with Kevin Martin, the lead singer from candlebox. All Right, here's the question. What how do you like your coffee? I got just a little bit of cream. Okay, no sugar now, no sugar, no sugar. All right, that's a good that's a good that's a good mix. I see. I actually take my coffee and throw it in a protein mixed like a protein shake. I don't know why really it tastes good, but yeah, so I get protein and I get amped up a bit. So like a blended robe of Mac fro smoke, a frappucchina or something like that. Something, yeah, something like that. It's I guess I'm a fancy coffee drinker, which I never really thought of that until now. I have to do the black coffee because I can only have it for my inner minute fasting, so that's nothing. I can have. Number. Everybody's doing the intimate and fasting. Is this bad? Right, it works, man, it's easy. Aren't you hungry all the time? Now? It just go to eight, eight PM to twelve PM and that's it. And I only between that those eight hours and that's it. Wow, it's not that bad. You don't do the late, late snacking and you just don't have your breakfast. Pretty interesting. Yeah,...

I should try that, I feel think if I try that I would probably like start choking people. I would get hangry. I would get angry real quick. I think was two months. I lost twenty five pounds and even I didn't do what you exercising was crazy. There you go. Wow, it's great. Yeah, but you got to stay on it. You can't go off and on on it. So yeah, all right, cool, I cool. So, yeah, CAF, thanks for jumping on appreciate it. We have a couple questions here. You know. Well, we'll kind of go over so, you know, we'll let you talk about your new album coming up a little bit up front and then we'll kind of go back to the first time because like what we do kind of on the show, as we talked about, usually just like one song at a time and really take like a deep dive into it and and far behind. For me is always kind of been one of those songs. I know I kind of know the story about it, but I think would be fun from our our listeners to have you talk about it and then just kind of like get into that album and like you're the beginnings of candlebox and kind of go from there's that sound sound good to you? That's great, cool. All right, so, Kevia, thanks you after jumping on. Hopefully COVID wasn't too bad for you. How did you wind up making out during the pandemic? Covid was brilliant for me in the sense that I got to actually spend a year and a half home with my wife and my son. You know, in a twenty years that I've been with my wife, I don't think I've spent this much time with her since the beginning of our relationship, you know, perfectly on it and we still survived it. We actually still like one another, which I think is, you know, surprising a lot of my friends. Didn't you know I have friends that got divorced in the past year. Wow. So for me I made out like a champ. You know. Actually I sadly lost a couple friends to to covid one to cancer and one just just far too young of a heart attack. So that was that was really hard. My best friend out of a heart attack last right after father's Day last year, and and you know, it was only fifty one years old and it was just devastating. But you know, life moves on and we're only here for a minute and you have to enjoyed as much as you can. You know, you only live once and and so we've really my wife and my son and I have just made the best of this past year and a half. It's been pretty brilliant. How's your Spanish coming along? I I met you know, I was a better bread maker than I was a Spanish speaker. I did the whole Spanish thing and French, and I can say, you know, small things it's just those masculines and feminines in those languages, those those romantic languages that they throw me every time, the hers and ours, but I make amazing fucking sourdough man. I'm not nice. There's shoe verbs, man. I always had problems of shoe verbs. I'm like, come on, anywhere is shues to in your wife's clothing lines doing well? Right, yeah, the clothing line. Thank you for asking. Is Really I think that was kind of the savior for us, you know, for me not being able to tour. I mean my last show was February twenty ninth of last year and the world after my wife's birthday and March seventh, the world shut down a week later and her business, because of her clothing, is so kind of comfortable and relaxing, just took off. And you know she's been doing it ten years and last those three months because the crazy thing April, May and June of last year, she earned more in those three months than she had in any previous year, which is crazy. Yeah, so, so we bought two houses Nice. Yeah, it's been great. You know, thank God Nelly Martin Collection pays the bills. Yeah, know what I meant. You know you mentioned your last tour was February from last year. I'm sure you're looking forward to getting back out...

...in the road, especially with their new album coming out in September, and I so I've been listening to my weakness and I got to say so, like, per our standards on this show, that is absolutely a legit hit. I actually have a hard time turning that one off. I was it last week. I was doing some weed whacking and I just had that song on repeat the entire time. I'm like, I'm like weed whacking stuff I've never we do out before, just so I could listen to the song for a nextra couple of minutes. Let me down easy. Another great song that came out last year, I believe, but will at still be on the album correct. Yeah, yeah, there's two songs are on the record. Cool it. Could you tell us a little bit more about that album that's coming out, like when in what else is going to be on there? Well, it comes out September seventeen. It's it's been ready to go since January of last year. I finished the vocals January seventh last year in the record was mixed. Actually, I think February February five it was done. So we really have been sitting on this record, you know, far too long. It was recorded in August of two thousand and nineteen and the release date, I think, was supposed to be January of two thousand and twenty, and then, of course, I pushed it back because I was working on vocals and lyrics and melodies, because we it, we made such a different record for us that I wanted to make sure that each song was represented in the best way possible by me, because I really love all the songs on this record and I wanted to make sure that, excuse me, that I spent the correct amount of time and the right amount of time working on these lyrics and melodies. I tend to be very much like dave girl, where I'll go in the studio, will track a song and I'll let that song kind of spark something in me and then I'll write lyrics right there on the spot. I didn't do that with this one. I spent four months listening to each track and forming the right melodies in the right lyrics to support these songs. And you know, it's the first record, I think, that that I've made where I let those I let the guys in the band really kind of do what they wanted to do musically, where most of the time I tend to control things in this in the sense of what I'm looking for for the support of the record. This one it was really there's there was no rule that was laid down or any rule that could be broken. It was if we like this song, if you bring something in and we all feel strongly about it, we're going to record it, and that's what we did. So the records very, very different for us and it's very experimental in the sense that we we did not limit ourselves and camel boxes. You know, in the past almost thirty years of being a band, we found that we would limit ourselves in the studio with the creative elements of how we wanted to record, what instruments we wanted to play, how we wanted the songs to blow, and and also the the sinking of the album and the direction of which it blows, you know, starting with the first song and what goes into the second song and how does that blow and the third song. This one we just kind of threw it through caution to the wind and let it kind of dictate to us what it wanted to do and I'm really happy with that. I love it. I was so happy that let me down easy was the first single we released for people to kind of, you know, what their Palle a little bit, because it's such a rich, Bluesy, trashy rock song, you know, and that's kind of what I grew up listening to. Some of my favorite music is blues and of Course Otis reading is my favorite army singer. So being able to kind of throw a little soul in the middle of that mix of that kind of a song felt really good and it was a great representation of where the band was headed. And then my weakness was is another example of, again, what we didn't limit ourselves doing. That song was written for me by my friend Don Meigs, from a band called the whole damn mess and and I, you know, I just said I want you to write me something that you...

...feel represents our relationship, our friendship and my relationship with with my wife and my child, and that's what he gave me. And and I love the song. It's it's it's nothing like anything I would have ever done and I can't read that kind of music. So I was happy that that he gave you something that I really loved singing and and it, you know, everybody loves, you know, great s pop sensibility, songs like Brian Adams stuff that he's written, and and I think that that that songs kind of got that vibe to it. Get your car and go yeah, no, absolutely, I love that one. So let me down easy. That was, if I'm not mistaking, Co written with Peter Cornell, right, who is Chris Cornell's older brother. Yeah, how was that working with him and collaborating on that song? Pet It's amazing. We were old friends from Seattle would which, of course, when the band took off and you know, we kind of we everybody kind of split in Seattle and relationships when, you know, by the wayside. And then I moved to Los Angeles and I hadn't seen Pete and years. We're doing the reunion shows in Seattle in two thousand and eighteen for the twenty four anniversion of the debut album and he came with with my manager, who is his wife, amy and and we were catching up and I said, man, I would love to have a song from you. We we never collaborated on anything back in the day and I've always found pete to be an incredibly talented, you know, musician and of course gave his younger brother Chris a great head start musically when when they played together early on before Chris started sound guarden. So you know, the talent in that family is is tenfold, not to mention their sister and their mother's musical talents as well. So he sent me this track. I said I wanted something that kind of felt like Robert Johnson meet Jimi Hendricks at the crossroads and both of them decided to sell the souls, you know, and Nice. That's we gave me, you know, and and the Acoustic version of it feels exactly like to record a version. So we wanted to keep that kind of that same energy that that was captured on this kind of he played it on a Doughbro with a slide and saying a little bit of melody, but he didn't have any words and I wanted to make sure that we delivered the exact same thing that he had delivered us. So when I send him to the Demo version we did preproduction, it's like this is exactly how I heard it. So when you were on the right track, awesome ice. You must be chomping at the bit to get on the road now, right, because I feel I feel rock and roll, I really do. You got to be out there. That's the way, the only way to promote it, right. Yeah, I mean it took, you know, some be honest with you, I'm not chomping at the bill. No, I I missed. I missed playing live and I missed touring. But, you know, I there's so much that goes on with it and, like I said, I've I've had so much fun being at home with my wife and my son that I've I've found this serenity and kind of and being secluded, or sequestered, if you will, from you know crazy can't the box fans. I love them very much, you know I do. I love our fans and without them I have no career. But you know, there's something to be said for, you know, finding a bit of yourself, like I have over the past year and a half that I think I maybe I lost, which was it's okay to stop trying to please other people, it's okay to focus on yourself, it's okay to find that little bit inside yourself that makes you feel whole or a sense of of, I don't know, closeness with with your own feelings. You know, when you're on tour like I have been literally for the past almost thirty years, you lose a lot of that person that you were and you become something for everybody else that you may not necessarily want to be, being a rock stars, you know, every...

...kid's dream that becomes a rock star. I mean, you know, Dave Grohl is a perfect example of the greatest rock star ever because he's just always doing something and he's always wanted and people, you know, are constantly clamoring at him to do something. God, I don't wish I had his problems. You know what I mean? It's like I I'm really enjoying being home now. That's not to say that the minute I get on that tour bus and I get a, you know, a couple whiskies in me and I put that that whole thing is going to get thrown out the window again. But it's been really amazing, man, and I think mostly I just want people to hear this record. I want to play it live. I'm looking forward to that, as you know, mentioned, but really it's I want people to hear this record. And that's the sad thing is is that? Well, not sad, but for me the difficult thing is to I'm going to be on the road prior to this record coming out and I'm going to want to play all the songs on this record prior to that, but I'm not going to be able to because candlebox fans, you know, there are those songs that I have to play, that I want to take out of the mix and just books on this record. That's not going to happen and and that's okay, you know, I mean it's it's the it's the nature of the beast. When you have a record like our debut album, the success of that, you know, and to not be able to follow up the success of that, there's nothing to really take that album's place in our career. It makes it difficult to move away from that. You know, bands like two food fighters, you know, color in the shapes of brilliant record and ever long as an amazing song. But he's really stole many great brilliant albums after that, wasted light and all that, you know, amazing songs on their pretender. You know, he's always been able to kind of supersede that the color in the shape. I've never had that success. So I'm going to you know, I'm I'm stuck to really playing that debut album, which can be frustrating at times, to be honest with you, if I'm going to be perfectly honest, well, wouldn't you toured with rush? They probably, I mean some of those rush fans were like, all right, I want to hear this, I want to hear that, and they're like, I don't give a shit, I'm going to play rush. Rush was interesting and they taught us a lot about respecting our audience and and and giving the best show we could possibly give. But they were they were funny. I mean there were those songs that they would not play and we would tease them in our set, like working man, passage to bank, passage to Bangkok, a couple of songs from two thousand and twelve that we knew they weren't playing in their set and we would do that just to kind of get the audience round up, and then they wouldn't play it and you know, they there were a couple nights after the shows where they would come to us and say, Hey, can you guys don't don't play that song because we're not like set. You know, Bos. It was fun. They were great guys, man. I they were honestly to the most amazing kind of gracious gentlemen we've ever had the pleasure of touring with. And you know, when new pass last year, that was that was just new. I was that was hard, I think, not only for you know, people that knew him, but the whole world of musicians it learned how to Air Drum to rush, you know, for Oh yeah, and you start off as a drummer. Yep, yeah, are drumming to rush. Yeah, Nice. Now got one back. I mean you went you lived in Illinois and then you went to San Antonio. How was that life when you you got to see out of you were like fourteen, fifteen years old, right, and then you got into the punk scene and everything. What was what was it going on Seattle, because everybody came out of there like what was just just give me a little snap that stip of what life was when you were like in your teen years and getting together with people and starting to form bands and stuff like that. Just kind of curious that that time. Yeah, Seattle was interesting, man. I moved there in one thousand nine hundred and eighty four in the middle of my sophomore year, and it was guy...

...was so much different than San Antonio. I mean I was a midwest kid. My father was a salesman, so I you know, we moved us around a lot, taking, you know, jobs of companies, and I think the last one he had his pace pace conte sauce, and then his old boss from a company called Kerry Salt Askman moved Seattle and I was not happy about it. You know, it was like a year after mounting Helen's exploded or something, and I was like, what the Hell's up there? I don't you know anything about this place and and of course I was not, you know, excited to look at the farmers Almanac and realize that it rains nine months out of the year either. You know, San Antony, I was a skateboard kid and that's what I wanted to do and I thought that was going to be my career was, you know, be professional skateboard or something like that. So here I am moving to a city where I'm not going to be able to ride my skateboard anywhere. You know, even the island that we moved to Mercer Island. Your word, I was needing allowed to ride my skateboard on sidewalks. I got pulleded over by a cop as what the fuck is this? You know, sidewalk still weird place. Yeah, I still. I still skate. Yeah, when I son I'm not anywhere near what I was when I was a teenager, but I can certainly ride the thing and have fun on it. But so he moved to this place that is incredibly dark and and you know, the winter months are really, really hard. I think it's the same latitude. It's like London, you know, it's like just right there along that same line. That that it's just this constant brewing of cold weather and rain and so really the only thing you had to do was basically sitting your basement and do drugs and play music. I mean that that was kind of what it was. But those moments that I was able to head downtown, I had two friends that I met in High School, Sarah and John, that took me to my first concert at Grilla Gardens. It was, you know, it was mind blowing them the music that was coming out of the city. You know, seeing sound garden as a three piece when Christmas playing drums and singing was another thing that was spectacular. You'd never seen a drummer that could wail like that and be a brilliant drummer, you know, not to mention stepping out, you know, then becoming a guitar player years later, a brilliant guitar player. I mean, what an incredible talent. And the city had a lot of that and I remember feeling at at the rifled age of fifteen, that, you know, whatever I had set out to accomplish in San Antonio, Texas was no longer going to be my my world. It was going to be music and and I started really focusing on that and playing drums and punk bands and and, you know, trying to to become the musician that I wanted to become. And and that whole city feed speeds that energy. Well, it certainly did at the time. I don't know when it's like they're now. I don't I don't live there, but it had this it just was like brewing, like a great brewery, great beer, you know, was brewing great musicians. It was creating this sense of we don't really give a fuck what you think, we're going to play the music we want to play and and that's what we're going to do. And there's also really incestual side of that city. Musically. Every single one of those bands, you know that that became successful at one you know, one time or another, played with either mark arm or Chris Cornell or Jerry Cantrell or, you know, buzz or any of the guys from from Taddy. At one point or another they had all played in a band together. I mean it was like it was just this clicky, you know, high school musical scene and they and they stuck together. You know was it was difficult to be a young musician in that city trying to make a name for yourself, because nobody wanted to hear anything about cantlebox. You know, if you weren't you know,...

Sound Garden, Green River, malfunction, mother lovebone, alson chains, if you weren't any of those bands, mad honey, enough for another example. You know of what happened. Nobody really gave a shit what you're doing. Of course, in Nirvana as well, but that was yeah, it was difficult, man. It was really hard to to find a place in that kind of and you know that as a freshman you don't really go to a lot of senior parties, you know what I mean, and that's kind of what we were. We were, you know, when those guys are all twenty one years old, Pete and myself and Bartie, we're fifteen, sixteen years old. There's a big difference between, you know, five years and in a age, you know. So when we did finally kind of release our demo tape, one thousand nine hundred and ninety two, and when we got signed, it was kind of like, who the fuck's candlebox, you know, where these guys come up, sort of thing, and it was amazing. Thank you, is it was a great record, amazing record, man, your fucking rock star, Dude. I love it. I was I was trying to do the math with withdrew, and I like it's point zero, zero, one percent or rock stars, and that Beats Football Baseball. I mean, thank you, thank you very much. Yeah, well, it is a small percentage and you know, I'm very lucky. I pinched myself every single day, man. I you know, I mentioned the fans before. I mean without those guys, thirty years ago, you know, almost thirty years ago, buying that debut album, I don't know. You know what I'd be doing right now. I didn't have a college degree, I didn't Finish College. I started my first week and then, you know, the band was on the verge of getting signed and and I was like well, maybe I need to just kind of not focus on college right now and focus on music. So it was a it was a tough decision to make. I mean, of course, you know, coming from Seattle, was something was bound to happen. But a lot of our contemporaries, the bands that we started out with, the we're end with, Green Apple, quick step, sweetwater, a lot of those bands truly another really great band. None of them had nearly success we had. So it I'm very, very lucky man. I'm incredibly, incredibly blessed to have made a record. It allowed me to do this for my entire career. Awesome. Yeah, that album was I still listen to an now like on like a pretty constant rotation. I mean it's not so good. Even like number wise, like to like it got recognized. Writing me to peak that number. Was it seven on the billboard? Two hundred five? Was it for four times platinum? So, like the numbers also supported their music more than supports it. Back it. We were talking about the other day how we actually got the album. Kevin, I'm sorry, but I feel like we got ours from either Columbia House or BMG. I Apologize. I saw I saw have the original CD though, so I still have the original. I still have a bill, I think, from me too. I think everybody does. Yeah, but those albums, I mean, you know getting going going back to that initial album. I mean the very first song, don't you? I feel like that's probably one of my favorite songs, like not only from the album but all time. I gets just the energy on that song. I feel like it's hard to match it. Like it's starts off with a high level of energy and it actually builds on it. So when the song ends, there's actually it's bigger than what it started with, which I feel like is stuff to do. It just given you know how good that song was. You know it just got better, which it already was good to begin with. It's an amazing song, and then change another great song. The verses are kind of, you know, chill, then you get kind of crushed in that. Course. I love that one. You. I mean it's a good song. I don't know what else to say about it's a great song. We're not recording you real quick, starry drop, when...

...you say fuck you at the end. We did you just plan that? Was that? I always at the was that always in the song or when you were doing you know, that was always there. That was all that was. That was one of the first songs you wrote. So our bass player, Perry, had left a band and Barty came down for rehearsals and I had I was in high school with Bartie sister. I would have been in high school with him as well, but he was in Ireland on a foreign exchange program so so I didn't know him in high school, but a friend of our said friend I mentioned earlier, Sarah and John, who had taken me down town the first time. They said Hey, you know, Bartie, Laura's brother is a bass player and he's looking for a GIG. So he came down to rehearse on that. That and far behind those are the two songs that he brought. So the energy from from what he had created made it very easy to to sing to and it's right to those words, the you know, the fuck. He was really about me kind of getting off of my addiction to to drugs. You know, I mean when I got kicked out of my house because I stole money from my parents. You know, it's like I mentioned earlier, you do drugs, you drink beer and you make music in Seattle, and I was one of those kids who fell into that trap. So that was really just me reminding myself of who I was and not going back to that. And and you know, it's one of those words I find that, you know, fuck is probably the, you know, the greatest words ever been written and it can be used for so many things. That's right, but certain, but certainly to remind yourself of things not to do. It's a great way to remind yourself. And and that's so. That word was always in the in the bridge section as well as the outer of the song. Yeah, yeah, the beginning of this album is amazing. That and you is such a good song. And Yeah, that you definitely feel the kind of like the anger and like the power. And that song to no sense another one nice contrast being like the verse and the course, probably one of the best solos on the album, if not of the decade. I mean it's such a great song and then we get too far behind, right, so that's kind of and as I was mentioning before, like what we do on this shows really kind of dig down to the lyrics. This is kind of the one I wanted to focus on just a bit, namely because a couple months ago we did an episode on Wood from Alice and chains and I've I've read that far behind sometimes comes across as kind of like a suice, I know, but I don't think that is the case. But what is far behind about? What's about Andrew Wood? I met Andy when I was sixteen in Seattle. was working with Susan Silver a shoe store called flu bog and Susan was managing sound garden, Alison Chain, screaming trees, I believe, maybe the Melvin's, several bands. Susan Silver Management. She still actually manages sound guarden to to this day. But the guys would come in to get flyers. Her office was behind the flu bog store and in a place called in at the market, and so they would come in to get the flyers and you know, see how I was one of the cities where you could, you know, plaster the hell out of telephone poles because all the telephone poles are would and so all the guys were coming to get the flyers. That's where I met Jerry and land the first time. Where I'm at, Chris Kim here I am Amoto, Andy Stone, Jeff. I mean that's they all came in there. It was, you know, it was kind of the scene, even though it was a shoe store. They would come in and hang out and it was down on First Avenue, so pike place market. Where else you're going to you know, hang but down there? And and Andy was one of those characters that just if he came in, you know he was going to be there for at least an hour and he would just talk about music and he was a first musician that ever really kind of shared any kind of insight with me as to, you know, what it takes to be a musician and what he loves about music and why he knows that it's the only thing that he's supposed to do. And you know, also told me...

...the time, don't ever let anybody tell you you can't do this. You know you can do it. Fuck them if you can do whatever you want. And and that's the beauty of being a rock star in a musician. And you know, and he was one of those guys you look like. He was like a mixed doreen, Freddie Mercury and actel rose. You know, he's just as beautifully brilliant, incredibly gifted musician and and of course he was Chriss's roommate and and you know they were day of their constant battles back and forth. Googo could write a better song. So everybody loved Andy, but I really loved him just just so because he was so kind to me. I mean I was a sixteen year old kid and he's sharing his secrets with me, and that doesn't happen a lot, you know. Yeah, I mean I certainly could have. I could have used a lot more of that kind of guidance later on in my career as a musician from some of those guys that had succeeded. But you know, I didn't. I didn't get any of that. So, you know, peaks and valleys of being a musician there duringenormous. So when Andy passed and Barty had brought that song in, we were actually rehearsing in mother love bones old rehearsal room and the song, the way Bardi was playing it, it felt it felt like a song of loss and a song of heartbreak and you know, the whole city, when Andy died, kind of took a major step back and just said what the fuck is happening here, and I mean laying got sober. A lot of musicians got sober when Andy passed and and try to stay sober. But ultimately, you know, with the success of Temple of the dog and those kinds of, you know, brilliant records it it reminded the city that again we're supposed to make music, and so there was again a rebirth of the rock and roll was coming out of the city. So I felt it was my job to explain my emotional attachment to Andy, and so the lyrics were initially now, Andy, I didn't mean to treat you bad, but I did it in a way. and Andy, some would say your life is sad, but you lived anyway. And then when we got in the studio to record it, I didn't want to be I didn't want to be that obvious, because the song is written from the perspective of the drug that controlled Andy. It is the drug speaking to him. I didn't choose you, you chose me. I am what I am on heroin. This is it's the dark side of the world we live in and if you choose this, you may not get out of it alive. And so that's how I wrote the song. So that's why I changed the lyric from Andy to maybe. I didn't want to be as direct or, as you know, painfully obvious. I wanted the song to be a little bit more, I guess, universal, maybe universal, ambibilist and and and volt and volatile. You know, I wanted people to feel the emotion that I felt when I sang it and and what Andy meant to me. So that's really what the song is about. It's the drug saying to him, you know, I didn't mean to treat you bad, but I did it. That's what I do. I'm heroin. You know, not a lot of people survived me. And and yeah, it's you know, it's two songs. It's never changed for me, you know, it's never lost its it's never lost its emotion. I'll sing that song to the day I die. I love that song. Every time I sing and I think about Andy and and that's you know, one of the greatest gifts that you could have as a musician is when you can write something like that that you're so attached to that. You do want to sing it every night and you want to hear five thou thousand and Twentyzero people sing that back to you. Five hundred fifty. You know, it's always funny when I go into a Karaoke bar and people don't know I am and somebody does that song. You know, you know, I'm like it's it's so, it's so great, you know guy. I mean I actually wrote something that people want to still fucking sing and and and I'm sitting...

...here listening to him. I think it's hilarious and I love it. I do Karaoke and I won't sing for you, but I've tried. I can't do you. I can do the fifty twos and that's about it. Another wrong be fifty two. Man Grow up on them real quick. Lots of venues you went through. I mean sold out Madison Square Garden correct. Now we don't saw that out on our will Kay for rush on that. Yeah, okay, but being there and like how about would stock, the Woodstock, Ninety Four Woodstock? What what day did you go on? What was kind of the vibe there? Kind of give me a little bit recollection of that. Well, we were the we were the Friday night at so so, I guess when we had just finished up the rush tour in April of ninety four and we were going out to do some dates with a band called eleven prior to us doing the Metallica tour, and there was rumor that they were going to be adding a Friday night just because the Saturday and Sunday nights were so successful and Metallica was playing, I believe, the Saturday night as the headliner and since we were going to be touring with them, our agent reached out to to the company that was putting on Woodstock ny for it. So listen, if you add this Friday night, cantilocks going to be with METALLICA. We you know, we happen to play the show. The like was matter of fact. We are adding the Friday night and we would love them to be the second from the closer. The closers going to be the violent femmes and because we have the number seven record in the country, actually the only band at Woodstock to have a record in the top ten of billboard, two hundred at the time as well. So they're like we would love to have candlebox be the second from them from the end. So we finished out the Friday night show. We went on stage, I think it at ten o'clock and we were off by eleven and then the violent games were from like fifteen till till thirty on a Friday night. Then in prior to us was collective soul and live and then a couple of the bands that were on that Friday night bill as well in the main stage. So it was pretty spectacular. I mean we were we were obviously, you know, super proud to be playing it and and and very excited, but at the same time we had been, you know, we played medicine square garden with rush, we toured with rush, you know, and now we're on tour of METALLICA. I mean it's not really like that tops it. And then you step out on stage and the three hundredzero people to go fuck everything else we done. This is unbelievable. So it was. It was mindblowing, man, it was. It was just the greatest experience that did a musician can have. When you step out in there's just a wave of people that is it's unending. It's it's you just can't see. It's like looking at the ocean you know, when you stand on the standing on the ocean, you're looking out, there's just nothing on the horizon except water and water and water. That's kind of what it's like. And they wouldn't let you watch the other bands from the side of the stage. So they wanted you to experience the spinning of the stage when you when you turn around, there's all these people. It was spectacular, man. We we really we had a we had a blast. We had a couple, you know, mishaps, like my cable came out. I asked my tour manager to give me a hundred fifty feet a cable. He gave me fifty feet a cable Ns and I you know, I back when I refused to use a wireless MIC which I still don't use wireless microphones. I don't like them, but at the time I probably should have, because the stage was basically I think it was three hundred yards wide from end to end. So there were he's ramps on this end and a ramp on that end and you could two football fields and lake, you know. So it was pretty amazing. Or maybe it's just one and a half of ball fields, but it felt like to but it was.

It was quite the experience, man. We enjoyed it and then it got to stay the night and we watch the next day, I watch Henry Rollins, who were about to do the European tour, with delight, and then we had to head into I think we got to watch METALLICA's set and we had to leave immediately that night to get to the next Gig with them, which was, I believe, in New Jersey. So we didn't get to see the descendation Shenanigan's, but it was good. Well, you did over a hundred eighty concert was is that correct? How many conscious did you do with? Hundred and ninety four? That was it. Hunter. I think was a hundred eighty seven, hundred ninety. That's that's a lot. I mean you must be exhausted. Must have been exhausted. I'm still exhausted. Yeah, I know, it's you know, I was a kid man. I was twenty four years old. Always I've skateboarding every day. I had a lot of energy, you know, I it was normal. You know, mean was normal to do eight, nine, ten shows in a row as a singer. I can't do that now. I can maybe do five, but you know, I I didn't really know how to sing back then. I was, you know, as a drummer that became a singer. I'm still the reluctantly singer of Giano box. I would much rather to be playing drums. It's my passion singing. I enjoy seeing, but it's not something. It's not my real passion. I know that might seem strange to some people, but it's the truth. So I you know, I really learned how to sing after that record, after Lucy, when when happened, bills came around, is when I really kind of found my voice and when I was capable of as a singer and what my my real talents were as a singer. I didn't I didn't really learn until having bills and and I'm a much bigger, better singer now than I was even in ninety eight. Could you sing and drum, like, is that possible? Would you ever do something like? Yeah, I do it. I do it all the time. I did it, you know, I did it back then, like you know, jokingly, when I mentioned earlier that I are drum to to rush. I mean that's really I used to play Tom Sawyer and sing it. That was kind of what I want because I wanted to be a well rounded musician in the sense of I didn't just want to be a drummer and not have some sort of thing to do with it. And so that's what I would do and I would play drums, I would sing the songs that I was working on or I was riding where I would sing the songs I was playing to. I still when I do a lot during sound checks is I put my ear buds in play, you know, five or six of my favorite songs when Dave Robin aren't, you know, in there during sound check and I'll run through them on the drum set by myself, singing him and playing them just to kind of keep my chops up. I love drumming so, so much. I mean it's it's just everything to me. It's the biggest thrill, awesome. Yeah. Well, speaking. So, speaking of drummers who also sing, so you did a side project with Morgan rose from seven dust. How how did you guys wind up meeting, getting and hooking up with with those guys? Well, I did years ago. We did a thing this couple guys called Lenny and jets of Sucy. They had a band called infinite staircase that toured with like Black Label Society and stuff, and they're two songwriting brothers that new Morgan, I think, through the Black Label Society to Wur they did, and and they had Morgan producing some songs for them and I think even playing drums for them as well. And they wanted to do a charity for the Hurricane Sandy that hit the east coast because they're both from, I believe, Long Island and maybe new Staten Island. I'm sorry stating on so they asked me if I would come out and sing on this song and I and they were doing it with Zach Wild Jad, Zack and Jad from black label. I'm Morgan and drums and Lenny on guitar and and asked me if I would come and sing and I said sure. So they flew me out to to New Jersey to the studio they were...

...working in. That's when I met Morgan. I wrote the lyrics on the plane. The songs called the pride and it really is about kind of that, that pride that New Yorkers have and Long Island, Satin Island, Brooklyn, you know Queens, the support system they kind of have or the great passion they have to that city of New York. And so that's what the song is called. And Morgan said to me, he's like, Hey, man, we should do a project, like let's do something with Lenny and you in turn it in something. And so I brought Adam, my bass player, in and we wrote like six songs. Called and they needed a name for what. I said, well, I was in France, and they said, what kind of name should we call what we should call the Bannis? And what about Laprouget, which is the project goes, is basically what it is. And and that was it and we never finished it. I think we have six songs done and we've never gotten around to finishing the rest of the record. But we tell you something, Morgan rose, motherfuckers, an amazing songwriter, brilliant drummer, Great Guitar Player, just a fascinating human being musically and a lovely guy to boot. I mean just beautiful, energetic, empathetic, caring, gentle soul of a monster of a drummer, I mean really blast to play with. Cannot play, can't just go to Dada Da, Dada, DNA. He cannot do that. It's not in his blood, man. It's got to, because it did, but it's got to be like all these kind of movements because he's just that person. And that's funny because at the end of the Song Save Yourself, when I was like it's just, you know, Bada Da, Da, DA, DA, Dada, Dada, he's like I can't do that and I was like what do you mean? You can't do it. But that's another thing that about him, man. He's just he's such a busy, gifted drummer that that simple, you know, for on the floor step down pattern just doesn't exist for him, which I think is funny. But, you know, teach his own yeah, drummer, fucking beautiful human being. Yeah, I love Morgan. Awesome. Yeah, and you said so. With Woodstock you were playing, I think was an afterlive. Actually had a question about woodstock about it if I could go back there. I have the double album and I think the song that they picked was Arrow from you guys, and I always, I always crack up every time I hear but at the beginning of the song you're like it's good to be here. Were Madonna. What was what was was that just like a random joke er? What was the was there anything behind that? There's just yeah, I know it had everything to do with the fact that people were making fun of her for starting this label, you know, Maverick records, and you know, I was wearing a Madonna tshirt just to really pay respects to her. I mean, this is a woman who gave us, you know, an opportunity to be a successful rock band, and they put a lot of money behind us and and they believed in us and, you know, I I really respected her for for taking a step and putting yourself out there. And, you know, not to mention Freddie to man, who was her manager at the time and was managed to manage Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie. You know, they had this vision for this label and we were their first choice, and I really was just saying, you know, you guys, go fuck yourself. You can talk all the kind of Shit you want, but this woman's Got a vision for this label and it's going to change the world. And of course it did. Deaf tones, a lot of more set prodigy, I mean the list goes on and on. They had mus before anybody would sign muse, you know. So it was a it was a really just a way to say, you know, there's a lot more to this woman than you know, a pop star who had naked pictures of herself taken when she was, you know, nineteen to pay the bills. I mean she's a incredibly talented, gifted visionary and that's what it was about, not to mention I knew she was watching the show. So always, always, always helps.

And so right. So, speaking of side projects and would stock kind of tanging it all together. Right, you are with the gracious few. So that's basically you and was the most of the guys from live. Right. That was that shut chat. Yep, I've listened to that. I've always been a live fan. I was like putting putting you in there, my boy, that's a good mix to are. Are you any plans? And maybe doing some work with them again. You know, we've threatened one another that we're going to do it. That was a labor of love. You know, that was really those guys were going through a lot of shit with Ed leaving and what they were dealing with emotionally. In that world, being a band, it's losing the front man and you know, I was feeling a bit stifled in cauntlebox at the time. The direction that I wanted to take the band musically. I was not feeling support from from the band members that I was playing with, Pete and Scott at the time. So I was given the opportunity to to record with Patrick and chat and Chad and I took it and we made this record and it, you know, was out of our own pocket. There was no label support. I think we did a distribution deal with red but there was no money and it really it was it was Chad, Patrick, Chad, myself and Sean Hennessy, Memphis Hennessey, guitar player from countlebox, that spent every dollar we had to make that record and and we we had a blast doing it. But, like I said, you know, we threatened to do it again, just because it's a threat, because we financially it would break us unless you know, a label word to give us money to do it. It's just it really was a very expensive project for us to take on because the enormity of as to which we recorded it, the producers we used, the mixtures we used, all of it. You know, we put our heart and souls into that, to that record, and I think you can hear it. I mean there's amazing songs on that album. I just I wish that maybe a label out there realize the value of a band like that. You know, we wrote some some great songs and and we put on amazing shows. I mean we went out and toward ourselves. We toured in at bus we parked at our our V parks and Co of parks. We didn't take any hotels. We did we did door deals on the tour. We did do guarantees. We just said pay us what the door makes. We wanted to kind of go back to our roots as young musicians and and that was the opportunity gave us. I think that we may be thought it might, you know, it was a little bigger than it actually was, which I think kind of hurt us in the sense that we were expecting things are expectations were a little high, but I think we still delivered an amazing record and I wish more people had heard it. I wish that it was something that, you know, people were huge fans of live and huge fans of countlebox just, you know, said God, we got this great record and we need to spread may have had a little more success because of social networking and that Vibe, but I think because we made that in two thousand and ten. So it's ten years old now and, like you know, the world's a lot different now. Yeah, so kind of talking about right, like the money you guys have to put up and stuff. So would there be anything or any insights that you wouldn't mind sharing, like with like our rate, with our regular listeners here, like what are just some things that like the regular fan might not know about the music industry? Good man, there there's so many things. Read the fine lines really if you're if you're a musician, you know have a great attorney that's doing your contract. You know, pay attention to that. You know, it's really it's a I think art in general...

...has always lost at the hands of agreed and you know, art is always the last thing that people think about, and music and is that art form that, you know, without it none of us would have really anything to do with our our days. I mean it's music's everywhere. It's constant. You your cars going to drive by with music on, you're going to have somebody's house is going to have music on. You. Your doorbell is in the key of e. your phone's got a jingle to it. I mean, music's everywhere and it's been a part of our lives or thousands and thousands and thousands of years. And the crazy thing about it is that without it we would all kind of, I feel, lose our minds. You know, it is the one thing that I think, can bring an entire are group of people together, even with the with the most random of opinions and the darkest of thoughts. You know, a candlebox fan might be, you know, want not want to have anything to do with the person standing next to him at a concert, but at that moment, you know, in that concert, with the music, they're standing right next to them, and that's the think, the beauty of music. But it gets raped, man, it gets destroyed by greed and by, you know, the the monsters that have created these crazy fucking, you know, record labels and monopolies of ownership and they take and they take and they take and they give nothing back to the artist and and that's really it's so difficult to make money and selling records now, and it's so difficult even touring. I mean, how do we not have the pandemic for everybody to kind of take a step back and realize how much you know, I mean you're going to see shows this year where the musicians are going to be out of their fucking minds on stage because they're going to be so excited to be playing. You're going to see energy from these bands that you've never seen or you haven't seen in years for them, because we've all realized the importance of how much that live show means, not only to the bands but to us. You know, what we love about, you know, those people being there for us, and you know, I think that's maybe the thing that fans kind of forget, is that we love them just as much as they love us, and we mean out I'll say it. Say it all the time. We may not show it all the time and we may talk about you know, I don't want to fucking do meet and Greeks and this bullshit that goes along with it, but at the end of the day, we do know the importance of the fans and we do respect that. You know a lot respect our maybe sense of experimentation sometimes with records, and let us go do what we do as artist, because you love us and eventually we'll give you something that you're you know you're crazy about, but allow us that freedom is as artist to create that music that we want to create and don't talk shit about it. Sage words. Yeah, so shit, don't talk to it. So, speaking of touring, do you do you guys have a tour lined up yet for your new album? Are you do? Yeah, yeah, we start in August. We're out until November. Awesome, is that? So is that? And I was going to also talk about your website. Right, so that's where people can go to. WAS IT CANDLEBOXCOM? Right, cant about Cantabox, rocks R s cast. Cant about Rockscom. Someone's took some assal Creo Masslon creos going Cantlebox, son of a bitch. Course. All right, so, Camble box rockscom, because I was checking out. I'm actually going to put on myself for a pre order for the vinyl and I have to double check the tour dates. Are The tour dates on there as well? No, now we won't be. I don't think we're announcing because we're still finalizing because of like this morning we just had a we had a conference call about the insurance policies and what the promoters are expecting of masked and nonmasked.

You know, Gotcha patrons. You know I mean it's there's a lot of things that we still have to figure out as touring musicians. I mean the insurance is going to be through the fucking roof. But, you know, can we be held responsible if somebody comes from show and has covid gets, other people sick, those types of things which, yeah, you never had to think about before. So we are still finalizing our tour dates with our agent now, awesome man perfects. Yeah, definitely keep her eyes off for that. Any vay? Any vacation plans? Australia plans? Maybe? No. Nothing. We'd love to. Australia's not allowing not anybody in without the two weeks quarantine. They're very slow, very slow to picking up on the vaccine as well. Australia is an interesting place. It's an incredibly beautiful wild free kangaroos and crazy shit, but as a country it's incredibly policed. They're very, very controlling. The government is in the government's just not ready to, I mean, and they shut down state borders there. There are seven states in Australia and like, example, Byron Bay is in New South Wales. If you want to cross over to Queensland to go up to the Gold Coast, you had to have a permit to do that. The city was not they would stop you at that that border on the highway and turn your ass right around and saying you wow, yeah, so an incredibly policed country. And so we don't have any plans to go there for the hollies. My Wife's dying because hadn't seen her her family down a year and a half, which is, you know, difficult. She's Australian. But there's talks to US going over there late next summer for touring, so fingers crossed that happens. You know, that's that's something we've been dying to do since the S. we've never toured Australia, so fingers cross that happens. But vacation wise, no, man. I've got so much work, you know, to do to get ready for this, for this upcoming a August dates. I'm, you know, on a treadmill every day or on my spin bike, you know, whatever I've got to do to kind of get my ass in shape with the you know, the past year and a half I took off. So that's my vacation plan is to head down to the garage and get the exercise in. I like that would be a great tourism posted. By the way, for Australia. Kangaroos and crazy shit trueman loveing in Australia's true love. It everything. Australia is trying to kill you. I'm not lying. No, I know. Yeah, I feel like I with my kids, you know, we're always like reading on, you know, animals and stuff, and they love watching like nature shows, and I feel like whenever we google like the deadliest whatever, like snake spite or whatever, it's like, Oh, this is an Australia. Oh, this is an Australia. Yeah, so, yeah, no, I believe you, man. I believe you. Cool back. Anything else you want to add or we I'm just thank you. Thank you for taking the time with us. Man, I really pulled my pleasure. Yes, my preasure. Wats what? Everything left with the family? Good luck with the door. Got Luck with everything, man. Thank yeah, thank you very much. Yeah, thanks again, Kevin. Really appreciate taking time. The new album is out September. I'm sorry, you said with September seven, seventeen, seventeen. So, guys, make sure you take take a look at that and when those tour dates are posted, make sure you go check out candle box. Cool, cool, and your instagram handle candle box. I do have an Instagram, don't I? What am I am? I am Kevin Martin. I A am Kevin Martin. It's a creative I'm so created. Hey, it works awesome and it works well. Thanks again. Thanks, guys. Yeah, thank you, Kevin. Appreciate it. We'll see it. All right, guys. Well, hopefully you enjoyed that interview with Kevin Martin. I know both back and I did. We both are clearly fans of far behind. It's a legit hit. Honestly, if you don't like that song, I don't know what's wrong with you. Maybe talk to a therapist or somebody. It's a great song. It's also great album. I highly recommend you check it out. Also, September, seventeen is when the new candlebox album comes out, and I believe he has some tour dates right now on the website candlebox rockscom. So check those out and go seeing me if you can.

I think there's gonna be more dates probably showing up soon, so kind of keep an eye on that as well. So thanks everybody for listening and, as always, you can find us on twitter, instagram at songs gone send us an email sgw podcast at gmailcom, and thanks everybody for listening to songs gone wrong,.

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