Songs Gone Wrong
Songs Gone Wrong

Episode · 1 year ago

December by Collective Soul


This episode Drew and Dave discuss December, and apparently alliteration. This end of year episode was brought to us by listener Rikki, so thank you Rikki for the suggestion of this 90s classic! We also discuss:

-Drew's eggnog

-Dave wants a glam Christian band

-The band Red

-Dave and Drew's appreciation for Mike Patton

-2020 recap

-2021 plans

-Drew has watched every episode of Downton Abbey

-Shout out to Dueling Decades 

-Shout out to Shat the Movies

-Drew cannot grow beard connectors

-2021 resolutions and plans

-Thanks again everyone and we wish you all a very Happy New Year!


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Hey everyone, and welcome to songsgone wrong, where we, along with you, the fans, decide ifthese hit songs got it right, or did those songs go wrong? I'mone of your host drew Zachman, and joining me as always, is DaveSchultz. Dave, how are you doing? Good, sir, I am verygood. Thank you for asking. I've survived the holidays. I'm happyabout that, and everything went fantastic, so this is good news. Speakingof which, how is your holiday season? It was good. Thanks for asking. Yeah, it was also survived. It was low key. I guesseverything this year is low key, but it was. It was.It was fine. Now he's you know, spent some time with you know,just our immediate form me. We visited our my brother and sister inlaw. They have two kids. That was about it. Nothing beyond that. So very, very low key. I know you made Eggnog because Ifollow you on social media. Yes, we make our own egg dog.I make with the kids. It's fun. I mean it's like super easy touse. Don't even use eggs, for crying out loud. It's fuck. It's pudding and milk. It's literally a it's putting in milk and likesome spices, like what the hell, what's it? Dog? allspice,there's like some ginger, a little bit of cinnamon, nutmeg. I thinkthat might be Ohen, like vanilla extract or something. That's literally all itis. You make the pudding, you put the spices and shit in andyou had the milk stirt Ale together and it is you're pudding coming in.There's your there's your Eggnog, I mean coming in. Two Thousand and twentyone recipes gone wrong. Well, that, I'll tell you what. That's arecipe one right, because it tastes. I'll tell you what. It tastespretty good. It's not healthy for you, but I guess Eggnog ingeneral is not healthy for you, but it's not bad. And I madeit with almond milk one time to that actually turned up decently well too,so a healthier alternative than whole milk. Look at you guy, look atshe go yeah, Nice, it's what we do. It's what we do. But yeah, it was fun, it was good. You know,the girl, other girls had a blast at Christmas time, so that wasgood and they're still having a blast. That's all they do. Have ablast every single day. To them, this is be any different? Youknow? No, I know, but I feel like this year, youknow, has been brutal for a Don's but like for our kids, Imean for them, they're probably like, Oh, I love two thousand andtwenty, other than seeing like their parents like stressed out every day. Ifeel like in general they're like we just hang out at home and play withour dolls and he's doing virtual school now. So like Hey, we why?Why would we change anything? Yeah, you know, though, I can'tfully agree with you on that. I think there's going to be abill that needs to be paid in the future when it comes to like thepsyche of these kids and all the virtual schooling and everything and being part ofthe generation that had to basically live life differently than in anyone before them.I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Their point now, it's a fairpoint. The social aspect of school is, you know, important for sure.Yeah, and I mean I kind of like correct myself as I'm thinking, because I'm concerning myself now with like pass generations. Maybe during the ageof war having to deal with things like that. It wasn't necessarily a pandemicor what have you. But still the damage will be done one way orthe other. Like I'm just saying this too out of my personal experience,because my son hates virtual school. It is like pulling teeth to get myeight year old to participate properly. I think I'm dealing with a fourteen yearold rather than an eight year old because he's so grumpy over the damn thing. See Rurr, oldest Abbey, I think she, I think she.She says anyway, that she prefers virtual school to going in person. Yeah, I would too, but but I mean, I mean if when Iwas I don't know, I think actually I was a kid, I Igot picked on a bit, but I...

...also like playing sports and stuff,so I feel like I would have still probably gone and dealt with the bullyingstuff just so I could go and play floor hockey. I really like floorhockey, in case you guys haven't noticed that. Yeah, the second episodein a row. I think I've brought it up. Well, I don'tthink I could have in virtual school, especially high school, because you can'treally puff, puff pass through zoom, if you know what I mean.You could, you just can't pass. Used to often is Pufu look atme, Rea Bumbari over here. Pay No mind teachers. Yep, yougot that. Leave them kids alone now. We're not here to talk about ourkids virtual life for how depressing the world maybe are. We drew.No, that's next week on school's gone wrong. Hey, go now.But yeah, this this episode, we are talking about a song called Decemberby the group collective soul. But before we dig in, real quick asalways, guys, if you haven't done so already, please make sure hehit subscribe so that what you make sure you get all of our episodes andthey come out, which is twice a week. And if you could alsoleave us a five star review, that would be swell. And if youdo that, let us know and we will have a songs gone wrong stickersent to your house. That's really nice of us. Yeah, yeah,and you can also follow us on twitter and Instagram at songs gone or dropus an email sgw podcast at gmailcom or visit our glorious website, songs gonewrongcom. And we also have our own songs gone wrong playlist on spotify sothat we can keep up the date with the songs we discuss each episode.Now of all that, all the way, this episode was actually brought to usby a very loyal listener, ricky, who goes by at snobby girl seventeenon twitter and we always have fun talking tunes on the twitter webs.But she suggested this song from collective soul. So thank you very much, ricky, for listening to our show. Yea, and she also gave usa five star view on itunes. Really. So yeah, seriously, Ricky,thank you very much. We really do appreciate that and hopefully we don'tcrap on this song for you. Well, hopefully she put that sticker. Youdid send her a sticker, right. I she did not send me heraddress. A Ricky, if you all and send me your address,but I don't want to also like I want to like pry and like belike Hey, give me your address. I mean I'm going to do issend them a sticker. Yeah, but sometimes people don't want that and that'sfine. I respected but if you want one, ricky, let us knowand we'll have one mailed out immediately. We could have it said, Ihave the envelope waiting. Yeah, an alternate address if you think drew's tocreepy. You know that's true. We can send it to your neighbayah,whatever works, as long as you get the sticker to slap it on youryour Fine Automobile Bass Guitar, or whatever you see fit. I think.Yeah, I think it would be. I think these are perfect for bassor regular guitars that matter. Right. Yeah, but the song December bycollective soul was off their self titled Album Collective Soul, which came out inone thousand nine hundred and ninety five, and the song was written by theirsinger, Ed Rowlands. Now, Dave, what are some of your memories ofthis particular song? HMM. Well, it's named after a month, correct. It is performed by a band known as collective soul. You aretwo for two, buddy. It came out in one thousand nine hundred andninety five. You are on fire. Well, well, you know,I just mentioned virtual schooling and how I would have spent my time with that, and ninety five I would have been a junior in high school. SoI believe there would have been a lot of puff puff passing activities going onand I don't, you know, to be honest with you, I wasn'ta big collective soul fan back then and I wasn't paying too much attention tothem, so I don't have any rose painted colored memories of the way theywere. But December as a hell of a month. I have a lotof fun. Yeah, it's it's a good month. MMM, Christmas.You have more Christmas? Yeah, you...

...know, there's an there's more Christmas, a lot of a lot of buying stuff, a lot of capitalism goingon, supporting the corporate overlord. Sure, but you know, before this wholesegment goes awry, please save it, drew, and come in and shareyour memories of December by collective soul. Yeah, yeah, I mean Ipersonally remember the song very well, like when it came out, itwas plastered all over the radio, along with their other song, the world. I know. I think at that time I was kind of getting tiredof hearing it. December and the world to know, because they both gotso much airplay. But I had the album when it came out. Ireally liked hinse allegations and things left on said their debut album. So Iwas excited for this album to come out and honestly, I don't think itdisappointed. I like the album. However, the radio killed December and the world. I know. So I kind of at the time I was kindof like this song again, but they're there. You know, they're aninteresting band though. You know, when they came out mid s they hadlike a slight grunge sound to them, but they weren't exactly grunge. Theyweren't really hard rock, but they weren't really pop either, or pop rock. Really know, you're kind of somewhere in between, and I think that'sit's always been kind of tough to pinpoint this band and I think that kindof works to their detriment because I feel like when people talk about s music, right, you always talk about grunge. Right, you talk about kind ofthe the buckets that you put bands in. Right, you have grunge, you have you have some of the hard rock, like Metallica and thes. You have other bands are like Pantara for that matter, or metal, right, and then you have the alt rock. Right, so youhave bands like live sponge. You have the Punk Rock, right, youhave green day, you have Blinkin, eighty two offspring, so you know, and collective soul doesn't really fit into it really any of those. Imean maybe Alt Rock, I guess would be the if you had to putthem in a bucket, that would be the one I would put them in. But they all kind of stand out, you know, in their own individualway, where us, collective soul, was just kind of like kind ofhovering in the middle, you know, but I can see that. Yeah, yeah, you know, just being from like the MTV generation,I am like, are they headbangers ball? Are they on twenty minutes a Trl, you know, and I think they might have been more trl.I don't know. Is that like it? And pay for them, you know, mid now showing of their video, you know? I don't know.Yeah, and that's pretty spot. I'm I would say, yeah,they probably would be more see rather than those whose are not a headbanger band, you know, but these guys can rock, you know, they candefinitely do that. And I will say this. I'm a big fan ofEd Rolands. You know, he was shot down at every turn early onand then in ninety three he independently released collective souls debut album, hints,allegations and things left on said, and that got tons of airplay on collegeradio stations, namely the Song Shine, and you know that caught the earof Atlantic records, who rereleased the album in ninety four and, you know, rolland almost quit and then decided to bet on himself and his band,which is awesome. So I always get inspired when hearing stuff like that.So and I also I also saw collective soul in where is that? Burbank, California. So we did a road trip, which I highly recommend,by the way, when you people are able to actually go out and doShit, uh Huh. We did a road trip. We flew out toLos Angeles and then rented like a SUV and drove all the way up topch to Seattle, and it was awesome and I want to do that againwith the family. I think that'd be a fun trip. But we wewent to a taping of the Jay Leno show, the tonight show, andthe musical guest that night just so happened to be collective soul, so it'spretty cool to see them live there night. Yeah, yeah, I'm a I'ma collective soul fan. I'll say that. Ye, you're removing aShaker, hitting up the Burbank. It's what we do. One. Yeah, absolutely. I've never been to burbank but I know all the shows getmade there, even though me personally, I might have gone to see theprices right, preferably over the tonight show with Jay Leno, but I guessyou know, you don't really choose right...

...whatever line is shortest. Yeah,that's also true. Ye, I remember we spent quite a bit of timewaiting in line that day. HMM, but it was fun. I wehad a good time. Right on, yeah, man. But collect thesoul, you know, they're still doing all right. They have over onepoint six million monthly listeners on spotify and December has been streamed over seventeen milliontimes. kind of thought that number would be a little bit more, butstill not too terrible. Now their billboard hot one hundred chart information now cliptthe soul actually has had seven songs hit the billboard hot one hundred, andDecember peaked at number twenty back in September of one thousand nine hundred and ninetyfive. Now, the top five at that week in September was you arenot alone by Michael Jackson, which that song actually debuted at number one.That was its first week on the charts and it came out at number one. Number Two was gangs has paradise. By coolio. Number three was kissedfrom a rose by seal, four was waterfalls by TLC and five was boombasticby shaggy. Wow, hug it. Yeah, all right, if yousaid this is September, right, September of one thousand, nine hundred andninety five, not December. Yeah, not December. That's too bad.Yeah, but hey, we're it's December now, we're talking about it andthis episode is going to come out on New Year's Eve. So, wow, there you go. I mean it. I don't, I know, butyou know, imagine that you have a song named after a month andit isn't really hit in that month. It's just bad timing, you know, I think it's poor planning. You know what? It reminds me alittle bit of those Halloween songs, yeah, that we were talking about. Wasit thriller? And somebody's watching me? Those peaked in like like March.Well, the Christmas winds too. So yeah, yeah, springtime is, you know, what's slapping when it comes to these singles. But forsome reasonly, yeah, just so weird. It is so bizarre. I don'tI can't fathom. Yeah, so that was the chart, the topfive for that one. Now, how does this song compared to the othersongs on the album? And, like I mentioned earlier, this album,I think is awesome. December, I feel it fits right in the middle. You know, you have some heavier songs like simple, the this onesong is actually just called untitled and one of my favorites, where the riverflows, which is, I feel like where the river flows, has likea good grungy, heavy sound to it. But December, you know, it'snot as heavy as those, but it's also not as slow as theworld I know, which is a great tune. So I think December fitsin perfectly and this album which, like I said, that's an album Iwould definitely recommend. But what do you you know that song, the world, I know, right. Yes, yes, so unavoidable. Okay,do you do you like that song as well? or No, not really. Oh, fair enough. Yeah, I'M gonna be perfectly honest with youhere. The vocal stylings just aren't my I don't know, they're okay,but it was just never enough to hook me, especially back then, becauseI was into such like a diverse profile of stuff I liked, and certainvocalist, and I always named drop Mike Patton, because I think he's oneof the most amazingly gifted vocalist of all time. Agreed, in the midS I was totally the throes of faith, no more fandom. So, andI'm going to relate that to collective soul probably a little bit later inthis show. Fair enough. Yep, I'm a fair guy. That's whatI do. You sure are? Yeah, we'll see. If me walking downthe street, they all look at that guy. I bet you he'sfair. So are you damn right? I am, that's right. Butyeah, I the world, I know. I that was another one see wherehe was all over the radio and MTV. So I just got burntout when that first came out. And and at that time I was listeningto heavier stuff back in the ninety five. So I was like yeah, slowersong. I was like, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah,but now, I mean I I like pretty much every song on thatalbum. So it's a good one. I highly recommend it and I youknow, even when it first came out,...

I know I was a fan alreadyafter the hints album. You know, this one definitely did not let down, I would say, if anything, it was a step up from theirfirst album, so no sophomore slump here for these guys. Now,lyrically speaking, I kind of like the lyrics here. So basically what thissong is about the songs about collective souls relationship with their then manager, BillRichardson. They had some legal and financial issues with him and they wrote thesong to essentially kind of talk about that. They called it December, since Decemberis the last month that a year and with that manager. They weretalking about their end with him, and one of some of the lyrics,I think we're pretty cool, were. It starts off with why drink thewater from my hands? Contagious as you think I am, and then healso says, I think, which starts the second verse, Why follow meto higher ground, lost as you swear I am, and then he,you know, breaks into the the course, but you know those lines kind ofthey're talking about their then manager consistently criticizing them yet still working with themand essentially collecting paychecks off of their success. So you know what, Fuck you, Bill. But anyway, and then at the end of the song, right Roland says December promise you gave unto me. December whispers of treachery. December clouds are now covering me. December songs no longer I sing.So shove that up your ass. Bill. December songs. So he's not caroling. Is that what he's trying to say? He's not out there,you know, bebopping and rocking with Bing crosby. What December songs isn't hesinging? I would love to hear Ed Rolands do Christmas carols. Like ifyou just like came to my front yard and my door whatever it's like,started saying Christmas, I was I'd be wholesome. You can me. Yeah, be fantastic. That'd be unique. It would. It would be sowell, also, right, there's the this is I also, I waslike, as I was like researching this a little bit, one of thethings I found that people thought this was like a sexual song. Yeah,it's not that. But there's the line where he says turned your head now, baby, just spit me out. Yeah, that that has nothing todo with what you think it is. And and let's be honest, Icollective soul. These guys are borderline like Christian Rock, you know, theya lot of their songs kind of have that. and Ed Roland. IfI'm not mistaken, his dad was a pastor, so you kind of grewup as a in religious upbringing and the religious household. So I mean alot of their a lot of their lyrics are that way. But you knowwhat, I did a little research on my own, meaning I looked onthe Internet for like thirty five seconds, and one of the things I didsee was that he was adamant that they weren't a Christian rock band. Theyall do that, man, I mean creed the same way. But whenyou listened to like shine, shine is a come on, it's a religioussong, you know, and I think a lot of times they try toget away with it because I feel like when people say, Oh, you'rea Christian band, you're like, you know what, you're not mainstream anymore, you know, and that's why I create I think fought so hard tobe like, oh, we're not a Christian band, but when you listento a lot of stuff, it's like, are you fucking you are? Yeah, I know what, you're a Christian band, but here's the that'sfine. Yeah, that is fine. If that's you think, go forit, I don't care. You're not hurting nobody. But it is Ialways considered to be an incredibly easy genre to probably be successful in, becauseyour lyrical content is is fairly narrowed, to the point where I've been suggestingfor years. You know what the world needs? Christian rock Glam band.MMM MMM, Yep, that's what the world needs to really shake up thatwhole you know, Christian rock scene. Could you imagine that? Some guycoming out, he's all yeah, looking grungy asn't shaven, and you know, that's look what everybody sings. He's he's happy about God. Then youget some some other little, you know, acts of what have you. Butthen all of a sudden, man, some dude comes out full on,you know, freaking high boots and...

...make up, David Bowie style,you know, ziggy. START US out there saying about Christ. Now thatwould shake things up. Yeah, but it's tough to pull off the badboy look when you're a Christian band, because that's because right like these girlscome up to you and like who it's like I can have groupies. Yeah, I follow my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Right, they're not gonnait's you, and you would know immediately it's an act. So I feellike I support your idea and I hope to see a Glam rock Christian man. I'd be amazing. Yeah, would. That's just not easy to do.Now, have you ever heard of there's a band called red, ourEd Red. Have you ever heard of them? No, but real quick, just to clarify, I think that whole thing, or the whole scenarioI was just describing it like what a Christian band should look like. Iwas imagining daughtry at first, maybe like to me, I know he's notChristian Rock, but like he looks like the kind of guy who might belike all into that kind of crap. You know what I mean. SoI basically I'm saying this because I'm really struggling like figure figure out what wouldbe the ideal look for that. So, but back on to read. Tellme all about read. Well, I mean they're they're kind of anew metallyish band. They came out, I want to say, probably aroundlike two thousand and five, somewhere around there, and they're they're good.They're really good. I like them quite a bit and and they're like,yeah, we're a Christian band, like a Christian hard rock, borderline metalband, but they they sound very similar to like a Lincoln Park. Ohand yeah, I me and I mean I think they're really good. Theyhave some songs that are really good. But, you know, I meanI don't know what their numbers are. Yeah, I'm assuming they're probably notas popular as like a Lincoln Park or something like that, but I thinkthey're just as, every bit as good. Maybe not as good as they canpark, but they're still good. I feel like they should get alot more credit than they should. You is what you Wiz state what is? You know what I mean? Like, Hey, guess what world, we'rea podcast and we're not afraid to admit it. Yeah, we're not. Are we aren't. Now, are we a Christian podcast? I'm assumingno, given the amount of but you drop on here. I feel likeif anybody, if anybody listens to our Brentley Gilbert episode, theyre could belike now, these guys are not a Christian yes, yes, at all, than glass windows would be shattering and, oh my Lord, crush and thempearls drew just dropped into the F bomb. But again, yeah,a Mey, I try to keep it clean. I just hanging around withyou, with you is just bad news. What then? They say influence.You are most definitely are. I'm so sorry, but let's get backto collective soul, and I should never even started that whole to be it'sjust something I read online on our webs yeah, exactly. And you're likethey all say that, Dude. You know, it's just as just theydo. This is how it is. Man as what's going on, andyou know more than I do. And there's bands like I mean, ifyou listen to you too, a lot of their lyrics are more spiritual.The Band Live Ed Kowalchick is very spiritual and a lot of his lyric writingand you could be like, yeah, these songs are borderline like Christian,but they don't call it Christian music. They're like, oh, it's spiritual. Well, like all right, and maybe that's true, but I'm likethat's kind of like out of the Christian good book. They're what you're talkingabout. So, yeah, I got to get credit where credit is dohere. True, though, you went from the song potentially, or implyingthat some people would believe, is about oral sex to then completely flipping theswitch and using the Christian rock cards. So we're really spanning the whole spectrumhere. Yeah, we like to diversify. Yeah, apparely, turn your headbaby, or what it was the line again? Turn your head ababy, turn your heading on, baby, just spit me out. Yeah,baby, spit me out. Oh Yeah, let's get back to that, shall we? We could. Yeah, move on. Well, let's moveon then. So what do you think, Dave? Do you thinkDecember by collective soul is a legit hit,...

...or do you think this is asong gone wrong? Okay, I we mentioned two things earlier. Idid say I was going to tie faith them more back into this and I'mI'm going to do that. Just give me a second, and I'm fair, which is also true. So, to be fair, I don't reallycare for this song. Okay, I don't really care for the band,but I realize there are fans out there who are very passionate about collective soul, and I can see why they would be. How does this tie tofaith them more? Well, I was thinking about this the other day.I love faith the more I love them, but a lot of people only seethem for what they produced or their hit. So what's on the surface? So if I say faith in more too, many people think it's Ohyeah, they really set song epic and they disappeared. Whatever happened to thethat little group? Faith no more. And if you take a step backand you look at their entire catalog of music, it is quite the portfolioof just amazing work, spanning and jumping from every kind of genre you canthink of. I credited Mike Patton again for being just an outstanding vocalist.But the way I feel, and I will passionately defend them until I'm inthe great faith no more, no matter what anybody says. I imagine somepeople are like that. We collective soul. So I want to appeal to allthose fine folks out there. Don't hurt me. I'm not giving outmy address for this very reason as well. So, so, Hey, butI think this is a song gone wrong, you know. Well,all right, all right, here's something else true, and it's probably anunfair way that I kind of judge things. I seem to do it more oftenthan not, and that's the whole like Nostalgia Lens, you know whatI mean. I haven't heard this song in twenty years, let's say.Does it still hold up in two thousand and twenty. It's a good song. It's just not, to me, a great song. It's not somethingI need to hear or I would have wanted to hear on my own,without it being suggested by a really cool rad listener. You know what Imean. So sorry, I know what you mean. That's right, hey, and that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. Yes, yeah,and then here's like, here's a fun fact for everybody. So technically yes, technically speaking, here faith no more is actually a one hit wonder.She shouldn't sure, filthy man. Yeah, because epic was the only song thatthey had that hit or that that made it to the top forty ofthe US billboard hot one hundreds. So by definition, which usually the definitionof one hit wonder, he's only had one song crack the top forty.Now I think we all know that faith no more is much more than that. I mean, Angel Dust from start to finish. Oh, nominal,Oh soo king for a day full for like, I mean make a noiseas I mean, the real thing is great. So I mean, nomatter, it's just a label, you know, and faith no more isfantastic. So I just want to I just wanted to point out a littletribute there. But yeah, right on. But you hear what I'm saying?To like it said? Well, I know it's and I haven't takena deep dive into so I'm just basing on this song, this song alone. Yeah, just this. Diddy doesn't do it for me. That's fair. That's fair. Now I'm for me, I and you are fair. HeI. This is not my favorite collective soul song. That doesn't meanit's a bad song. Now, it's not even my favorite song on thisalbum, probably my third or fourth favorite song on this album, maybe evenfifth. But it's still a good song and I think it's well written.I think it's a good little I think it's a good little dig at theirmanager. Is it's kind of like a breakup song in a way. Right, right, and you know, I think it's well done. I thinkas just kind of like hey, fuck you, buddy, and I thinkit did it. I think you did it well. So I think thisis a legit hit. That's Song I'm going to go with. Wow.Well, we are split, as you...

...know, with this this happens onthe show, drew. What do we do? Oh, we go tothe fans. Yes, so the fans have spoken. M and seventy sixpercent. Yes, so three quarters, just about the more three quarters saidthis song is a legit hit. Wow, okay, all right, I guessI can get that. I can understand that. Yeah, so wehad it. We got some feedback. Jd Kelly at DB three eleven saidI'm finding myself being on the legit hits side on just about all of these. Melinda Barnett, at Melinda Barnett said, love it. I mean it kindof sums up how I feel about two thousand and twenty. Irish Keithat me self, you know, said definitely a legit hit. This waswhat the mid S was all about. Good stuff. And then finally havenmn J ninety one at Tom Thomlinson said they're two thousand and fifteen albums.See what you started by continuing is the best album they have ever put out. Can't convince me otherwise, and I checked it out. It is actuallya pretty good album. They're still putting out good music, but I wouldsay this. If you are new to collective soul, I would say startout. They have on spotify. They have a kind of a greatest hits. I guess he could say from one thousand nine hundred and ninety four twothousand and one is called the seven year itch and if you go down toit's not like one of their albums. You have to actually scroll all theway down to the bottom where it says compilations. That's where it is.That it is. I mean it's a good mix and if you're not familiarwith them, I would check it out. While probably my favorite song of theirsis called heavy, I fucking love that song. Energy is good,runs a good one. So there's a lot. I mean precious declaration isgood listen. I mean there's so many good songs that they have on there. So check that out. And Yeah, that's what we got now, Dave. This is a we're going to go. We're going into overtime rightnow. Oh, okay, extra innings, sure, while we are. Thisis the last episode we're doing, all right, two thousand and twenty. So I wanted to talk just a couple things, you know, aboutlike our years in general, and you know, we'll get some feedback fromthe people as well. Okay, you scared me there. For me.So this is the last episode we're doing and I'm like, Oh, great, I get fired two thousand and twenty. You got me again. The yearsnot over? Oh Oh yeah, but no, we're one note thatI posted on twitter. Question actually was what are some of your goals,resolutions for two thousand and twenty one? So before I we know, wedig into those, let's talk about our twenty stave. So obviously there issome good some bad. But what were some what were some bad things thathappened in two thousand and twenty? Well, I was going to say you'll letme lead off with it, you know, I mean, I don'twant to state the obvious or anything. Everybody else what the Hell is goingon with the world? But bad things? Um, that's a that's a goodquestion. I don't know, man, maybe I'm like a glass half fulkind of guy or something, but nothing major strikes me as something isbad. That happened to me, you know what I mean? HMM,I hate to sound like a coward, like I'm taking the easy way outor something, but in the same's no, I don't know, man, nothingbad. Everything's okay. I mean, I don't know, maybe just,you know, happy to be alive. I guess. I know that's that'sa good thing. Yeah, I hope, should hope. Still,this is better than the alternative. Yes, indeed, but yeah, no,no, no, bad, all good. Yeah, we, Imean we had I mean overall, I think we had a good year.You know, I mean compared to a lot of other people. I thinkwe definitely had it easy. Yes, but I mean we you know,we kind of cut kicked square into teeth when the New Year's started, asour oldest came home from school with head lace, like it's funny. It'sfunny now, kind of, but that was early in the year. Youknow, not sure if anyone is ever had to deal with that. Idon't know if you have, Dave, but it blows. Yeah, three, for like three weeks we were sweeping the house, like literally every day, like sweeping the carpets, sweeping that,...

...sweeping the mattresses. You know,I had to buy a new vacuum cleaner just to be able to doall that stuff. Cheese, and it was washing, doing laundry all dayevery day, like washing the sheets, washing our clothes, everything like thatwas basically my job, you know, cleaning and everything, while my wifewould go through both of our daughter's hair with like literally a fine toothcomb toget those little fuckers out, Huh, by time, like by Tomy,like did all of this like each day. It would be like midnight and wewould just be like white and that to do it all over again thenext day for the next three weeks. And, like I said, thatwas I think that. I think that happened like the first the end ofthe first week of the New Year's that was formaching a preview for two thousandand twenty. Yeah, but you know, I'm glad you clarified. That isa bad thing, because I basically just stumbled all over the place tryingto search my my brain. Looke. Did anybody die? was there anymajor catastrophe? So I'm like no, everything's fantastic, drew, and youlike yeah, fucking head lace, like go, wow, there you go. Okay, now it makes more sense, which makes me really embarrassed. Ididn't bring up the whole shark attack. That happened to me, but anyway, as you were sir, yeah, I mean, I mean we didlose somebody. I think a very close friend of our family passed awayin June. I unofficially to covid they wanted up having like a heart attack. Not to be a negative Nellie here, but I mean that hit hard.They had like a lot of symptoms back and I think it's like March, in April, and then they wanted up unfortunately passing in June, butthat sucks. And then I remember I talked about in our twenty one pilotsepisode, but dealing with anxiety was super fucking rough this year. My summerwas basically a shit show times ten. But that's all the bad stuff Ihave. But I feel like it's always good to talk about the bad because, you know, a lot of times that's how you can kind of learnsome things, which is what I have done. Okay, you know,speaking of anxiety, right, turning that frown upside down. You know,I kind of started working on myself and trying to figure some stuff out,which was long overdue, I think, but figuring out what makes me happy, what I went out of life. That kind of personal journey has beentough, but it's been immensely helpful. Yeah, and you know, mywife and I have been doing more charity work in our area, helping outour daycare where our one daughter while she had she hasn't gone there all year, but we still, you know, support them, you know, doingsome volunteer work at a super kitchen and downtown reading. We've been doing that. I really enjoy doing that. Looking forward to doing more of that inthe New Year. I think you just said a downtown reading, like isdowntown Abbey? To say downtown, I don't know, but it sounded likeit to me, which is I always called it downtown Abbey and then someonecorrected me. They like it. I'm like what. So now I knowyou're it's down to abby down and downs and reading. I will report youto Lord Grantham. And yes, I watch that show. I have neverseen every I watched I watched every episode and we watched the movie. Soyeah, you go girl. Yeah, and it also like, partially thanksto my anxiety, wind up dropping thirty one pounds this year's that helps.So just, you know, just trying to be healthier in general, provingDiet, drinking less, running more, Shit like that. And also,right, I get again, you know, one of the turning a negative intoa positive. You know the pandemic. Yes, it sucks. We didn'treally couldn't really go anywhere, you know, but we spent a lotof time with our girls, you know, and there's times when we're hanging outwith them it's like, oh, we're hanging out with you again today, homeschool again today, and and it definitely is tough when you have towork from home and then also watch them. But now usually don't get too beenout of shape about that because in the fall our youngest, Maggie Sho'llbe going to kinder heart and so I'm like, well, we may neverget a chance like this to hang out with them, you know. So, I mean maybe even ever, you know. So I'm like, youknow what, let's just embrace this and enjoy every moment with them. Andit's not easy. I'm not saying everything is perfect, because, spoiler alert, life isn't. But nine times out ten, like we're all pretty goodin that regard. But so it was. You know, there are definitely somegood things that happen this year. But how about you? What aresome good things besides working on a great podcast? Yeah, well, thatwas a highlight. This fall we started this show, so that's been alot of fun working with you, drew. Some people don't know we actually metvia another podcast. So it's amazing... online radio it's the gift.They keep our good friends. They are good friends at dueling decades. Yeah, and I was going to, you know, kind of reinforce what youjust said. Spending more time with family has been good, I guess.I mean it's one of those things where, in I going into it, I'mlike this is going to be fantastic because I am going to have thesemoments that will last a lifetime. But as time dragged on, you kindof like, okay, enough is enough, I've got to get the hell outof here. Calgon take me away. I know I probably there are days. No, trust me, I am they're probably sound like a terribleparent and spouse. But now, seriously, well, one thing too is I'mI don't work from home. I am without revealing too much because Ilike keeping my allure as a man behind the curtain here, but I aman essential you are, Bruce Wayne. I I'm Batman, but I meanno, I have to go out into the world and I feel terrible forso many folks out there. I mean talking about these stimulus packages and thingslike that. The money and the support that people need is immense, andthe fact that the government was dragging his heels on it and that people havejust basically, if you didn't even catch the virus, you suffered immensely financiallyand in other ways, because maybe you're a small business owner, maybe youknow you work in an industry that's like, for example, the cinema industry orsomething, you're an usher, I don't even know. I'm just throwingsomething off the top of my head here, but it sucks that that had tohappen to you. Me, I was lucky. I made out likea band I raked in money like it was going I think I made moremoney during the whole pandemic because I had to go out and work, youknow, and I feel so bad for the less fortune, which is admirablebeyond words, drew that you were going to downtown reading and doing your bans. No, I'm serious, though, to help other folks, because that'ssomething I always aspire to do more of and I don't ever think I doenough of. You know what I mean. HMM. And I'm not a resolutionguy, but if I were, that something I would definitely try toput into my new year's diet, if you will, is basically donate moretime or money or anything I have spare to others, but I have enoughstruggles, like I said, dealing with the ones I love half the time. I don't know how well I could really benefit a lot of other folks. But Um, yeah, good things. I mean I'm just a happy personto I don't know, I think overall, I mean I got myfrustrations like anybody else. Don't get me wrong, I'm not like crap andrainbows all day long. I have my problems as well, but I meanat the end of the day, I look at everything and I go well, compare it to something else, put my my my, you know,shoe on the other foot or what have you, and I'm a lucky motherfucker. So, yeah, this pleases me. Yeah, now, likewise, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, we definitely locked down. I mean Iget to work from home. So I mean normally, in a normal year, I would actually go into my office four days a week and work fromhome once a week. And now I worked as I I've literally worked fromhome every day since like what, mid March or whatever it was. Soyou know, I'm going back, baby. You can't go back now, justfine by me, because it's like an hour fifteen commute one way.So I'm okay with that. But you know, at the same time,you know, I I realize for sure I have been fortunateough to keep myjob and be able to work from home. So but I mean, as faras my know, two thousand and twenty one goal is just kind ofcontinue when I was started working on this year, you know, just beinghealthier, exercising more. I mean, I a lot of people say that. Yep, but it's good. You know, people should do it.Doing more volunteer, I think, doing even more trying to trying to figureout what I want to do in this life. Right like, if anybody'swatched that movie soul, which I loved and Holly Recommend it personally, butif you saw it, I'm trying to figure out my spark right now.I mean podcasting with Dave is definitely one of them, but trying to findlike an actual, like job, job, or I do spend, you know, nine ten hours a day working,...

...but actually being something I like,that's are at least in an industry that I like, I'll put itthat way, because I like working with project management. But trying to figureout the spark. That's kind of the thing I'm trying to figure out,but getting outside of my comforts on I think it's one way to do it. I like photography, HMM, I like building more stuff, I likebuilding shit. One random thing I've been wanting to do for years now isjoining a street hockey league. I know I talked about it. Always comesback to fucking hockey, man. I love a floor hockey and I lovestreet hockey, so I'm trying to find a league. Totally random by lovethat shit, hanging with the kids, stuff like that. Now we gotsome feedback on twitter. Okay, yes, so I yeah, I posted aquestion like what are some of your goals? Resolution for two thousand andtwenty one? So our good friend Carmelita Valdez McCoy, who goes by atCarmelita says, said I like to be better on starting things like projects andsuch, rather than just thinking about it for weeks on end. MINNIES tosociety. Our good friend Alex over there said still learning Swedish. Will ContinueLearning Swedish. Gene Lions at gene underscore lines from the shot the movies podcast. Highly recommend that. By the way. Everybody check that one out if youlike podcasts about movies. From the S and S. those guys aregreat. But he said, I'm a learned to talk Spanish. Oh,and then, yeah, and then Dan Mac holts at. Dan Mac Holtsaid, I'm thinking I might need to put that on the list. SoI think both Dan and gene might be learning Spanish now. Yeah, oneof the things that I do, one of the benefits with my job is, like I said before, you know, deals heavily with project management. Icarry that over into my life. So when New Year's rolls around,I don't like calling them resolutions, I like calling them goals and then Iput a plan in place. Now, Dave, I think you probably knowoff that spreadsheet that I sent you earlier when we're working on the show.Yeah, I like making I like making task lists and spreadsheets for pretty mucheverything, but I mean that's what I do with basically anything I work onat work or at home, and those project plans kind of help push mealong. And when you have a big project it can be intimidating. Sowhat I do to break it down into it into smaller tests and milestones,and that way, as I complete them, I kind of crossed them off orhighlight them to show that they were completed in and like, once youget going, you see the progress you made, right, and I thinkthat helps you make it, get through and get to the end and itshows, like what you've done so far, shows your progress and it keeps youmoving toward that completion. So I will, I will put this softwareout there for anybody. Know, if anybody wants help putting their resolutions onpaper and working to accomplish them, let me know. I'm not saying I'mgoing to, you know, magically help you be more productive or anything likethat, but I definitely helps me and I figured I can, you know, maybe try to offer this to anybody else and maybe it'll help you guys. Start moving on your projects and, you know, just start writing itout. You know, here's your project, I want to builds that. Iknow, a desk. You know, you just like start listing shit outlike by the wood, you know, get all this, this, this, you know, get to screws whatever, you know what I mean, and put a plan together. And then, as you start moving along, you know, it's like, okay, well, I'm going to do this, and then, you know, a little by little, you startcross and stuff off. Next thing you know, it's like, Oh,I have a fucking desk that I built, or whatever the cases. You know. So, you know, for me, putting stuff together like that, it's actually I actually enjoyed doing that. So and I've been working on projectmanager for like thirteen years, as some I would say, I'm moderatelygood at it. So if anybody wants some help with their two thousand andtwenty one goals and resolutions as far as like putting a plan in place,let me know. I'd be more than happy to help you with it freeof charge, and we'll we'll ship Dave to you. And Yeah, well, I like, Hey, I'm going baby, there are some frito's inthere and a gallon the milk. You random. Ye, I know,Dude. You're not going all Tony Robbins on anybody either. Right, thisis not like no self help, this is just basically putting all your ducksin a row, courtesy of drew correct. Yeah, I mean it's I haveno problem giving you a pat on the backers and hey, go gethim kid, but you know, it's more or less just, you know, let's put a plan in place,...

...because if you like say I wantto do something, no, matter what it is. You know, likeHey, I want to lose weight, but if you just like write downI want to lose weight, that can be, you know, incipidating,because it's like how do I do it? You know. Well, then it'slike, okay, well, let's put a diet planet. Yes,you know, let's put an exercise planet place. Like, let's get everythingwritten out so you have an actual, you know, like script. Yes, it might like go off of yeah, I dig it. You know what, just to keep everything even, I will offer the opposite. Iam a snake oil salesman and, if you were interested, I will totallyblow your ego, make you believe things are absolutely not true, that youcan't attain the unattainable, all for a small monthly fee. How much isthe fee? I don't know yet. Depends on how much I like you, but I mean, you know, I will be yourself help guru thatoffers you everything and actually provides nothing. Sometimes, sometimes that's what people need. Well, yeah, I don't have the hair for it, though.That's the thing. I don't have the main, if you will, tokind of be like a personality that people would like see on TV and goyeah, that guy. He could fix my life. I didn't even Carey, I don't know. It doesn't matter what he says. He just looksgood, so he's gonna be good. You get one of those, getlike a top hat or like a cowboy had. I'd be pretty I don'tknow, but true cowboy. I think we got to let the listeners knowhow the sausage is made here a little bit, because you are currently rockingthis very interesting beard. You get the bee with with like no sideburns thatconnect it, so it's like the channel. Fuck you. I have no connectors. All right, you got no connection. Let's put that on thelist for two thousand and twenty, drew, I've been praying that on my listfor the past twenty years. Man, no, no, I s yeah, I've tried. Thanks for calling out that I have no connectors.Hey, hey, I didn't know if I was by design or not.I didn't know his genetically predisposed to have no boins. So have I gotno coid? I have a I have a sweet stash. I'll tell aboutmy stash is pretty awesome. May or may not rival Tom SELLERC or donmattingly. I will say that now. My Goatee. I grow a prettymean goatee. Yeah, but that's really it. Like connecting the the mustacheto the to the beard or goatee. Yeah, nothing that happening, andgoing and going from the the sideburns down to the beard. I have notshaved and I'm probably going on about a month right now. Wow, I'msure my wife loves it, by the way, but I think this islike a month right here and I still I mean you can see, Ihave any row connectors there. So I don't know. I'm wondering if thisis maybe should inspire an ama one of these days so we can get thelisteners to ask you about your facial hair or me about, I don't know, any crazy thing on the face of the earth. I have no idea, because I was going to say to you, you know, you youget everything all mapped up or mapped out, mapped in, I don't know whicheverdirection you want to go. But me, I got no goals,none. I'm just going to go with the flow, man, keep ontrucking, you know, wherever the wind carries me, I'm going, baby. But you have the connectors, though, right, I do. There's youhave nothing to worry about your set. Yeah, this is how life ismapped out in true form. It's like, well, do you haveconnectors? I do, then you've got it made, made. I don't. That's why I got all kinds of fucking issues. Apparently, maybe ifI grow my must thatch out like long enough, it all maybe reach.Maybe that's kind of what I'm hoping for right now. So, yeah,slick it back back up plan. Yeah, totally. So that's that's what wegot, man. Hope everybody has a happy new year. Anything else? When add Dave, I will be partying with a twelve pack of seagroom's Wine Coolers. There you go. And I will be having some epicgames of UNO, to which I actually tweeted out, and I don't thinkpeople believe me. But yeah, it's a rare thing for me because Iused to be a heavy drinker. I don't really drink anymore and I waswhen I was in the liquor aisle. I was actually thinking of myself,Hey, I got to keep my wits about me to play Uno against myfamily, because they're good. So I...

...often for the sea gums. Sothis is kind of life I live. Okay, people can't but, um, whatever you do decide to enjoy our new year's eve tonight, please beresponsible, safe and, you know, good, so we can come backand listen to our show in January. Twenty twenty one, that's right,Yep. And Yeah, thanks everybody for listening and thanks, ricky at snobbygirl seventeen on twitter. Appreciate you suggesting a song. Hopefully we didn't letyou down and, you know, hope everybody has a great happy New Year. Hooviey, everybody stays safe and looking forwards. You're rolling in two thousandand twenty one with some more songs gone wrong. Thanks to everybody. HappyNew Year.

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