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Episode 3 · 1 year ago

Higher by Creed

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

It might not get more polarizing than Creed and this 90s monster song might test Drew and Dave's friendship. Do you think Higher by Creed is a legit hit, or is it a song gone wrong?  

Higher from Creed was off their album Human Clay which came out in 1999. This song peaked at number seven on the US Billboard Hot 100 in July of 2000 and spent 57 weeks on the chart.  

This will be a close vote and you the listeners play a big role in deciding this one.

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Pay Everyone and welcome to songs gonewrong. Were we along with you, the fans decide if these hit songs got it rightor did those songs go wrong? I am one of your hosts drew Zacman and joiningme as always is Dave Scheltz and if you haven't done so already hit subscribeto make sure you get all of our episodes when they come out which infact is twice a week, you could also leave us a five ser view that would bedeeply appreciated and boy that would just be swell. So please do so, and youcan also follow us on twitter at songs, gone or drop us an email S G, W podcastat g ML, dotcom or WEU can visit. Our website songs gone wrong. Tcom now Davethis episode, we're talking about today, higher from creed. How excited are youto talk about the song? I have never been more excited to talk about anysingle topic in my life. I can tell this song is definitely, I feel like it's very polarizing thisAr. I feel like a lot of times. People are heavily one side or the other HMand yeah, and a lot of the feethat we got on twitter. I feel kind of validatethat okay, so wwe'll see we'll see what happens but yeah. So this episode, likeI said before we are talking about the song higher from the band creed andthat song came on the album human clay, which was dropped in nine tneen andninety nine and it was written by singer. Scott STAP and his friend,Stephen Harangu, and also guitars Mark Tramanti, help write that song as well.Now what like, I said, this song came outin n nine tee. Ninety nine. What are some of your memories of that Song? Wowfirst off. I just want to thank you for detecting the sarcasm I had in my voiceearlier by mentioning this song is very polarizing. I have no rose painted,colored memories for this song higer or the band in general. I can't say Ienjoy anything from them and they're from Florida. That's there's a lot of other good bans fromFlorida. Dat Remembers from Florida. That's that's! Alright! S! IGON, kickis from Florida for crying out Loud Oo. Well, that changes everything th thesidegone cakes from Fana, I'm Goin to grow mullet N. I'm going to start theparty with those folks down. I actually like to party with them. They I feellike they're, guizars, Jason, Vealer, probably UH probably can throw a coupleback so back then I was definitely into creed. I feel like sil, like late nine,so early nineties. For me I was getting into grunge and alternative and mymusical my musical repertoire was being built at that particular time. So I Ithink the Black Aben from Itallic is kind of what started getting me on thetrack to heavier music that was KINDOF, my my gateway album, basically and thenfrom there I went into some of the older metallica started, getting intoother metal MHM got into grunge and then just started getting into likemore just you know, hard stuff, you not rage against the machine and then someother alternative stuff and then corn came out in ninety four, which kind ofset the way for new metal and by ninety nine. I feel like. I was probablylistening to corn limbiscuit, you know all the great bands of the day and andcreed was one of those bands. Now you just stab me without comentit was equalto grabbing a dagger and jabbing it...

...into my side. Dude I was nineteen. Ididn't know what the Hell I was doing all right, but creed though I got their firstalbum when it actually initially came out MHM. I I think I walked into like.Was it a like a tower records or I think itmight have been like the wall or something like that and they had it ont on the side. You could listen to a sample of it. So I did and I was likego. It doesn't sound too bad, so I was kind O. I was kind of hooked from thereand then, when human clay came out, I was already a fan at that point andthat album was just astronomical. I mean they. They completely blew up at that point.If you didn't know who they were before off that first album, you definitelyknew who they were when human clay came out, because you also couldn't avoidthem 'cause, they were on the radio all the time, and I saw them live a fewtimes. Probably my favorite show of theirs was they came to Tron, NewJersey and seven dust open for them. Seven dust always puts on a good showthey absolutely crushed it. They have like trampolines on stage and they werejust like jumping around playing their intruments. I don't know how they didit, but these guys from seven Dus are amazing, so they opened for creed andcreed, put on a phenomenal show. They were awesome and it will say stapwhatever say what you will about him. He has such an amazing stage presence.I cannot say anything against that. He is, hejust has the crowd eating out of his hands. He is he's a legit front, man,okay. I like your criteria for a good show. It's not lazers light smoke, justgreat tunes, it's trampolines, trampolings Yemwhat's. All you need andyou're impressed. I love it correct. I I will take trampolines overlazersanyday, I saw tool and then the show was all right, but they I think theyspent too much time focusing on the lasers and maybe the pot as opposedo. II don't know I feel like Adam Jones, got feedback for like thirty minutesand then they played a couple of songs, and that was it so, but theyere theywere so good. IIL gladly go see them again. Now this song, it peaked atnumber, seven on the billboard hot one hundred chart on July, twenty secondtwo thousand- and it's spent fifty seven weeks on to chart it's a longtime and so yea. It also topped both modern rock and mainstream rock charts.Setting a then record seventeen weeks for the longest stay atop themainstream rock chart so yeit's it did pretty well an the chartsas well, and it's still doing pretty well now, so on. Spotify hier has overeighty seven million streams on spotify, while creed in general, as the bandshas over three point- five million monthly listeners, so people sain good or something or it'snot. I mean it's not. You Know Harry Styles, Oh okay, that yeah that's aHigh Bar; that's a tough one to get over so yeah! So three point: fivemillion monthly listeners, it's not too bad, especially for a band who- and itreally hasn't done much love late, so I'll give them credit and plus it'screed. You know, like I said there they're a kind of a polarizing band andthey still have three point: five million monthly listeners, whetherthey're from Florida or not, it doesn't matter they. So they s still an o thingto sneeze at that's right now, some other just to kind of give people a bitof Kindo like pint the picture for whatwas going on at that time. Right so, like I said this long was number sevenon the: U S, billboard hotone hundred and at that time the number one songwas bent by matchbox twenty. So you can kind of see already where H, where the charts were heading. At thispoint, if matchbox twentyes number one everything you want by vertical horizonwas that number two everyone's favorite may meam is going to be me frominstinct. was number four and this song was actually two spots higher soon Idid there than the real slim Shadewa,...

...which actually was nine, so higher fromcreed was actually a couple of spots higher than slim shade. At that pointand another song of note, the Pong Song from Cisco dropped seven spots thatweek to number thirty one D on that particular chart and smooth fromSantana and Rob Thomas was forty one at that particular week, and you could notget away from that song. Basically, at the time it was like smooth and higheron the radio that was pretty much it. How this compares the other songs onthe album I mean, I think I feel like higher is a happy medium compared tosome of the other songs right, it's not as soft as with arms, wide open, butit's also not as heavy as what, if or say I I think it's kind of right in themiddle. I don't know what your thoughts are about, how this song Kindofcompares to other songs off of human clay. Well, not even human clay. Ithink you're insane for considering any creed song. Heavy Iwas a crunch to it,man, I'm telling you they may have a crunch granted but like in the Pantheonof heavy metal bands or banges completely rated a pound. You withsound creed would not be on that. For me, you Kno, I'm not saying they'reheavy metal. I meant heavy. You know compared to with the other songs thatthey have done so have you for them. Yeah! It's like listening to Paul,Simon and being like the album, starts off waked mellow, but then, oh, my God,so heavy. Then it opens up yeah I mean I'm not saying you know it's, I'm not saying they're as heavy asbands, like fear, factory or seven dust, or anything like that. I'm just sayinghier is not as heavy as a song. Like whatever say I, and if youHR, no, those songs are heavier for creed. But again I mean I'm, I'm notsaying those songs are heavy metal. I, I would say creed in general. Is this ahard hard rockband? I put them in that category, Hard Rock, okay, all right,hard rock. I think they're elevator, music, wellwith arms right, open, yeahor like one some of their some of their softersongs, O their softer hits. I could say, or or I wouldn't mind, putting them aselevator tunes. You Go, convert him to Musac. I wouldn't say that elevatormusic, and if it is that's an elevator, I wouldn't mind hanging out in see you mention you K W. You have lovefor the albums you've seen them live. You enjoyed them, live to. The pointwhere you said Scott staps presents wh was something you know to be seen. It'sawesome. So obviously you know you have a deep affection for them and theircatalogue. I I celebrate most of their catalogue. I will say that lyrically speaking now right, so thesong personally, I feel like the song, cantake two directions. It kind of starts off, looking bleak right 'cause then heum when he talks about at sunrise. He hefights to stay asleep 'cause. He does't want to leave the comfort of this placeand then he goes H, there's a hunger, a longing to escape from the life I livewhen I'm awake. So I don't know what Scott's saying there, but it sounds. Itsounds like his regular life is bleak and it sounds like he's battling omaybesome depression or something there, but I'm like it's not a it, doesn't startoff necessarily as inspiring and I'm like wherenone says you know: Let's gothere, I'm like where, where are we going? So I don't know, unlike the trampolines, this does notmake you happy. No. I love trampolings well dude like doing some research forthis son because again not having that kind of knowledge that you have or lovefor it. I had to be the guy who went on Wikipedia, did kindo understand theselyrics, better yeah, but I saw a couple different explanations online. One. The San Pertains to loosi dreamingafter Scott STAP had some kind of nasty nightmare where he was being hunteddown by a dude with a gun and then Su something about like a f suicide noteor something can you inlite me on that? Do you know anything about that yeah?So I B. So, let's we'll start with the...

...suicide notes, and I I feel like if youright what I was just talking about Er he's saying: Ah At sunrise he fights to stay asleep,because I don't want to leave the comfort of this place. 'CAUSE, there'sa hunger, a longing to escape from the life I live when I'm awake mm right.You know, I feel like that right there. You could almost interpret that asbeing a suicide note. I don't think it is, but it doesn't. It doesn't start off so h optimistically. ThereHelmo, no, but but then like it gets as the song progresses. I feel like it. Itgets a little bit more positive but yeah, so that so that's I don't thinkit's a SUICI Kno but defitely. It looks like I could take that turn, but totalk about Luci, dreaming, yeah, that's what Scott Stopp said it was about Um. I don't know here's a thing right,creed, I don't think they've actually have come out and said they ereChristian bands right at least not from my understanding. I feel like whenbands come out and say: Oh I'm, a Christian band, thereryone's like Oh,you are and then they just immediately. You know stop listening to them. They're, likeyou know what I'm dumb you guys for whatever reason I di' know why. I feellike it's kind of Corny, to be a Christian rock band and a lot of bandsdon't say they are. But when you listen to some lyrics for certain bands, it'slike yeah, here's. Definitely some like religious or spiritual themes. Here,like you too right. You too talks a lot about spirituality, even live the bandlive. They have a lot of spiritual. You know I don't I don't know if live isnecessarily Christian but theyre I feel like they definitely are spiritual or religious, with a lot ofthe lyrics that they sing about, but they've never come out and said: Heyguess what ro a religious band they never they never say that even likecollect a soul. I think same thing. They've never come out and said that,because, when you do that's almost career suicide, thenyou're not going to be number seven on the charts so well I mean I like itbetter when a Christian ban rocks like outfits like killer bees and they callthemselves striper, that's true, or I don't know if youever listen to. I think it's called red. No, what's that theyre they they sound.A little bit like Lincoln, like they're, almost like a Christian Lincoln Park,is aadway to describe a kind of new metally ish, but they're pretty good. Iliked them and an they have comeout and said yeah we're a Christia ban nowthey're, not necessarily huge, but I mean I. I've listened to a lot of theiralbums and a lot of their stuff is really good. Those guys can definitelyrock out. Do they have better lyrics than can you take me higher to a place whereblind men see? Can you take me higher to a place with golden streets, becauseif I was a blind man who could suddenly see the first thing, I would want morethan anything is to see a street made of gold well, for me, it would betrampolines, obviously yeah. No, I mean so rgrlet's, let's. Iwas actually going to talk about that. So, let's pull those lyrics out right.Can you take me hired to the place where blind man, s th? I feel likethat's. I feel like he's singing about heaven right, where there's no morepaying where blind people can see. I feel like that is a if, like that, haslike a religious undertone to ar rig. It's almost wlake he's talking about S.it's almost like he's kind of asking like how to get to heaven right. Canyou take me there? That's what he wants to do initially, when I first heard the song,that's how I interpreted it before I. You know really heard about the luciddream story that he gave and obviously that was kind of also before I alsolooked at it from like a suicidenote perspective, but I don't know I and arethese lyrics necessarily the strongest not really, but I feel like he almosthas like a religious undertone there. I, I think you interpret the song likesomeone, who's completely stoned off their keyster, but the great thing isyou're, not you're, completely sober but you're. Reading between these lines,like you just I don't know, man hit the gunge for a weep bit too long dude. I Hfirst of of I pass on grass.

I do at least for now. I don't know manm month. Forin is pandemic. I might be starting soon, I don't know say nope todote yeah, but no, that's US me. I usually just analyze the crap out ofeverything, so I don't know N. even honestly, I think this song reallydoesn't mean a whole heck of a lot, but Scott stabb really wanted to impressthe ladies. The way you explain it to me is so deep is profound, but when Ilook at the words just right in front of my eyes, I'm not overly impressedthe Lersir are okay, I'm not saying the lyrics are the strong part of the song.I think that music is, I think, the music's good I think, Mark Charmanti isa phenomenal geharrssed. I I would go so far as to say he's one of the better guitarist of the decade a andhe's actually gone Solo. Since then he also did some work with Alterbridge,but he has since gone selley's put out. I think bre albums now solo and all ofthem are amazing. He actually sings and plays guitar. But if you ever listen tothose albums, he just absolutely shreds on them like I would say that stuff ismetal. His Solo stuff, Marc Chamonty, is one of the great things about creed.I feel like he kind of gives it a little bit of that edge. 'cause I feellike. If you didn't have that edge, every song would be with arms wide open.There be no distortion on Highokay but yeah. I think Thi Song does kind ofboard on the edge of radio friendly rock, but then it has that that crunchdto it, I was talking about H, Temonthe'is, definitely a MEL head atheart. Overall, I like the music, it definitely is radio friendly, but Ialso like when stap says the word higher when he gets into course. Hesays the word higher. The guitar cords actually progressed down kind ofcreading like a nice little juxposition there. I think I think that's a nicelittle touch that they did, but I don't know what do you? What do you think?How do you? What are your thoughts on the music? I have nothing against thecraftsmanship persey of the song. I might want to save some of thesethoughts for later. I think when we kind of lay out our final verdicts, ifyou will my bias against a song yet again, isn't necessarily with the sounditself, even though that song wasn't all too impressive to me but yeah asfar as are they talented musicians? Yes, I will admit that fact I'll I'll takeit. I will take that okay cool all right. So when, over the lyrics, whenover the music, he gave a little bit of a back story as far as how this songsharted how it compared to other songs on the album, I I say we get to ourfinal verdict here, so so they. What are your thoughts? Did this song? Getit right, or did this song go wrong? I am going to vote for wrong. Let me explain why now Whil, thesong does absolutely nothing to move me, I'm less about it being a faulty shirt,topper and mostly displeased by what the group represents. Historically,there's. No doubt I'm guilty of looking at the nineties through nostalgia,tinted glasses, considering it was an absolute blast, but the decade wasrobust, with ECLECTIC artist eager to change the landscape of sound thinkabout this back then rebellion ruled and what was the rallying cry down withhair metal screw the status quo, blind consumption was no longer cool fanswanted meat on the bone, actual content, something new and they received it inspades. The Conventional Rules of mainstream rock music Gat tossed in thetrash can we welcomed the age of individuality and would never return tothe days or dolgums of old. Or would we fast forard a few years and the dreamwas over and what did we expect? The media market was now saturated withcopy cats of the indy artist that we cherished merchandising meant more thanthe music once again to the masses. Corporate Cookie Cutter Rock hadreturned with a vengeance and enter the...

...band that we're talking about today.Creed, Oh and you know, here's one more thing: Scott STAP was trying to hide asex tape with Kit Rock, and we didn't even talk a Lik about that yeah. That'sright! We forgot. We forgot to talk about that. We also didn't talk abouthow he I thought STAP stried, starting a fight with Fred Durs, and maybe hedid, but we also we were researching. He apparently was picking a fight withthree eleven yeah who the fock picks a fight with three eleven they're,probably the most chill dudes ever only Scott stap man yeah. I don't get itit's like. I was mentioning to you earlier: It's almost like Gettinginto,a fight with your mom's cool boyfriend, the ind who lets you drink beers andstuff. It doesn't make any sense. They have their own brand of weed there. Yougo lik trying to like fight hooty in the blowfish like they're nice. Youknow you might not like 'em. Necessarily personally, I do I loveHoodi, but I don't want to beat them up. I wouldn't want to fight Hooti YeahTheye T, if I saw them I'd be like I was Oinnto, give you guys a Hogor likea high five. Well, I'm sad to inform you. I actually did in fact get into afight with the entire band of hoody and the blow fish, and let me tell Ya, Icame out worse for the wear, so don't mess with the Hoodi and don'tunderestimate the Hoodi now drue, what about you? What is yourfinal verdict? Yeah? So this song? I do. I think it's is this. My favorite creed song, notnecessarily do I like it. Yes, I I really feel like I feel like this- is aLegi radio hit when you also when you look at the chart at the time. I feellike this song kind of fits in so kind of by, like association, I feel likethes song would qualify as a hit in that regard, but lyrically it's it's average again like I said Ithought he was thinking about something else, maybe more like religious orspiritual base an then when he said it was about lucid dreaming. I feel, likeI kind of lost a couple of a couple of points with me, but but still the themusic, I think, is great. The song rocks. I love listening to this song, usuallyand we'll get to one of our listener feedbacks as well, but one of thethings that we, both Havenin Commonis, that this this finds its way on to uhmy running mix actually o. When I'm on the treadmill trying to run, I feellike the song. U gives me a little extra boost so again, thisis in creeds best work, butI do think it's a good song. I and I do think this song is in fact a legit hate,so they got it right with this one. That's our voteman, we'RE SPLINONE ONERIGHT! So now what do we do? We got to go to the fan vot. We got a lot of feedback before werelease the final fan, votes and decide whether this is a hit word. Did thesong go wrong? Let's read some of the feeback. We got on twitter, so Ryan,bon whose Atryan bome said I don't like hire or with arms wide open, very much,but I'm not ashamed to admit that the rest of the human clay album slaps. Sothere we go okay, phebian neigbor at sirfabs. A Lot said no way point taken,sir. It's SIM Kendal, who goes by at seventeen candles, said as much as Ihated it. It was very much a hit. Creed was inescapable and he's right 'cause.You could not turn on to radio station and not hear them, and that wasinteresting too right because they were hard rock but then also radio friendlybordering on pop a little bit. You know you would turn on like your mainstreamradio station they'd, be there and you'd turn on your rock station. Theywould also be there yeah, so they were, they were tough to get away from yeah.You Go visit, your Nan at the senior center and they'd be rocking out tocreed over there too. They were everywhere. It's like, I don't knowherpes. What town did you grow up in man? Youdon't Wan to know. You don't want to...

...know. herpiece is kind of escapableherpes as Kindo Li Saoh. Now you tell me Um, yeah R Y, he r, an the elevatorJeremy Bednarski at Jerry Benarsky, said hate to admit it, but it's a hit,but it's the same as hitting to blow fish hold my hand was a hit, bless jd,Kelly at DB. Third and eleven sid, even though I hate it with every bone in mybody with arms, wide open is definitely a hit. I did enjoy my own prison.What's this life for, and one last breath is another one. I won't turn offand I consider hit he said higher. No Sir Gerard Angelo, who goes by at x RACor two six fors and folks on a bash creed, but they were a monster in thelate nineties and early two thousands, and he as right about that H, LonnieLovtailor, a Taylor lawne said not my favorite creed song, but their firstalbum is top NOCH. Our good friend Tom Mongia said it's a freaking awesomesong that one and my sacrifice are always phenomenal. Live those stay onmy workout playlist and Heis. These absolutely right. My sacrifice and hireI mean when you see higher, played live, I feel like. It definitely gives it a little bit of extra homph,Victor Le who goes by a Victor Le Two thousand said. I hated the song and TeBand, but I won't deny that it's catchy and appealing. I can see why it was ahit. I liked it more than with arms wide open and the last feedback we gotwas from Melinda Barnett, who goes by at Malenda Barnett, and she said thissong is like a nice long drink of warm tapwater that as too many chemical, nooffense. It's a good action. No offense to nooffence to anyone that enjoys creed, I admit to liking new kids on the blockwhen I was twelve there wis a time in place for commercial overproduced, mynumbing music and then there's a place for good music. Thank you. So you knowyeah they're, true there we go, you know, listen taste is subjective. Okay,when we tackle these top hits. Yes, it really is absolutely and I'm reallycoming from that place. You know you're coming from a passionate place when yousay you enjoy something and I'm just doing the same from a much darker evil,Spot N, my soul. You know what I mean but hearing that feedback right there.A lot of people do in fact agree with me. They just don't like it, but theycan't deny the facts and listen. Neither can I you know you laid downwhat that Song accomplished and it was a load. It was tons and people stillremember either fondly today or hate it. But I'm telling you man. I got to comefrom my Gud on this one yeah. No, I think a lot of the feedback, probably h more resembles your standpoint thanmine, but we have the final fan votes and thefinal fan vote was fifty seven percent soitwas, relatively close. Fifty sevenpercent said that this was a legit hit and did get it right there. We have itman, it's a hit. Creeds. Creeds Higer is in fact a hits and this song did notgo wrong. So two thirds man we live in a democracy. Well, you know I canconcede defeat, I'm a bigger man. You know I can do that. I respect I respectthe talent put behind the song, but I'm going to come back and this I'msureting me a song that we're going to talk about in the future that I willdefend passionately. Much like my friend drew here and the people willagree with me. No, they absolutely will- and you know that's that's. What'sgreat about music, it's ubjective and it's always fun to talk about and kindof figure out where people stand on things. So that's it for this episode Dave any anyfinal thought. Listen. This is the first one. This is the first time wegot to do the show together. I love it. I had a blast and hopefully thelisteners did to please come back for more yeah and I blast talking about it.I'm a big music head. So any time I get to talk about music, it's it's a goodthing so and we have lots of lots of...

...other songs coming up to talk about. Asa matter of fact, next episode will be about bottoms up by Brantley, Gilbert,good God anyway, make sure H. Sorry, I don't Wan. I don't want tosway the fan vote already, but anyway make sure you guys, you know,check us out on twitter. We are at songs gone. You can send us an email s,G, W PODCAST AT G ML DOTCOM and you can visit our website. Songs, gone wrong,dotcom and until next time, thanks everybody Fer listening to these songsgone wrong. POCAST. Ladies.

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