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Episode · 10 months ago

Interview w David Scotney from JANUS

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Bak and Drew interview David Scotney from JANUS and talk about basically everything: Old JANUS music, new JANUS music, what makes a good cover song, mental health, Missing And Murdered Indigenous Women, and good pizza.

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Hey everyone, and welcome to songs gone wrong, where we, along with you, the fans, decide if these hit songs got it right or did those songs go wrong? One of your host drew Zachman, and joining me as always as the Marvelous Bach Buck tonious. But we are not alone today we have a great guests, a wonderful person and this all around talented musician. We have David Scottney joining us from the band Janis, and if you haven't checked them out, I highly recommend you listen to them. I've been listening to them for over ten years now and their stuff is awesome and they have some new things coming out soon. So we had a great interview with him. So why don't we just dig right into that interview with David Scottney from Janis? I. I'll be honest, I'm kind of a big Fan. I'll try not. It's a fanboy too much over here. So yeah, first off, yeah, I guessaid thanks again for coming on our show. So I've personally, I've been following you guys since I would say red right return that came out and what two thousand and nine, I think it was. Yeah, the the last album I have and maybe you can help me pronounce this right, is it? No, STARI's. Am I pronouncing that? Not, not hereis okay, boy, I was not even close. Um, well, it's it's makes two of us that have not studied Latin, so it's a dead language. So you get a pass on that. All right, I'll take it. I'll take it. Yeah, and I think that's the last album you got, the last full album you guys have had out. I've been kind of stalking you guys on spotify to see if you have new music coming out, and it was like a little over a year ago or so you guys released a single that cover of drive, and then you guys had stolen sisters, which we'll talk more about those in the little bit, but I like to start off with kind of talking about what can we expect from from you and from Janis in two thousand and twenty one. Sure it's I'm really, really excited about this year because we Wek the original lineup that put out those two records, broke up after Knox Arras and then kind of went our separate ways for a while. I took a break from the music industry and got into kind of the pizza world, which I have. I still have an obsession with me a palm style pizza and just it's going on ten years now that I'm still certifiably clinically obsessed with the palm south beats of the Artcorn, the craft. Is it the brick oven? Is it the brick oven? kind of think it's. It's yeah, we've got woodburning stone ovens that came from Italy, Su Fanto for ours, an amazing family. It's been making those ovens for hundreds of years. Wow, well, probably over a hundred years. And I could bore you guys with pizza talk for hours, but I'll stick to the topic. Yeah, Janet's, we kind of went our separate ways and then, I would say a couple of years ago, I got really inspired to get back into music with a twist on Janis, to kind of start getting into putting songs out for philanthropical reasons and to raise raise awareness about causes that I was passionate about. The drive single was one that hit close to home for me, just supporting a family member with bipolar disorder and and that I just heard that song and and actually study the lyrics and just realize that it was completely about mental health. And then, once I realize that, I saw the original video, I got inspired to kind of rock that song up a little bit and then kind of reimagined it with some heavier guitars and, believe it or not, it's the exact same key and BPM as the original. Just driving leaning into those sixteen notes. It feels faster, it feels more modern sci it's...

...great. Yeah, it's great. Thanks tilt shooting that video and it was a good excuse for me to get back into shape and I lost twenty pounds and got really fit and healthy and come and then we worked on and then I worked on stolen sisters kind of by myself, so I had written that song, played all the instruments, and then had an amazing opportunity to work with David Bendeth, who's just a phenomenal producer. He produced param or breaking Benjamin and, Oh wow, he's out in New York and he's famous, infamous, for being one of the toughest music producers to work with on the planet, and it's there's a really good reason why he has that reputation. I spent a week with him and I got my face just melted and kicked in my and I would put through. They call it Bendeth boot camp and they call that for a reason because he he runs you like a racehorse. He really does squeeze the absolute best out of you and it was one. It was a life changing week in my life. And the kind of the interesting thing between Knox Harrison present day. So Mike Turanskyed are over tar player, get all of the songwriting on those two records. I really just was a singer and a lyricist. So I wrote a lot of the melodies, but I didn't write any of that music. So in between Knox Harrison now, I partnered up with a or took some lessons from just a music theory Guru who kind of schooled me on songwriting. And basically, I would say it about in about a twohour session kind of really introduced me to what musical keys were all about, songwriting in different keys, and and then kind of it's essentially opened my eyes and ears to being able to write music in any key, in any any style that I want, any sort of instrumentation. And then I kind of schooled my cell phone, Midi instruments and got into drum programming, piano keys, strings, instruments, you name it. So I'm able to kind of essentially right and and and put together anything that comes to my head now currently, which is which is an amazing kind of thing and I kind of developed it out of necessity. The exciting part those is since when I released stolen sisters, both Johnny Al and Mike got kind of re energized and reinspired and reconnected with me, super excited they were. They were stoked about that song and that video and and then we've been talking ever since, and recently, I would say in the last six months, Mike Transky and I started trading parts again. He's sending me music files from Portland, Oregon. We did a rehearsal about a year a little over a year ago, to try and put together a reunion show in Chicago, which, now that covid is kind of starting to wind down, we're starting talks about getting that reunion show put together and we've got probably six, six to seven songs in different states of development for the next record. So will you stay in the Midwest? I know that you do kind of a lot of your tours around that. Yeah, so I am. My home base is out of Wisconsin. So Lake, Geneva, Wisconsin, where I currently live. Johnny's and Al are both still in Chicago and Mike is currently in Portland. So I think Mike's going to travel back to Chicago at some point soon here and we're going to get into the rehearsal space and start working on on the live show. I don't think we're planning on touring anytime soon, but I do think that we all are really stoked about getting a reunion show together in Chicago and I'm mainly super stoked and focused on writing and recording a new record. So that's kind of the the stated union. And then Jake Pork Corton Kirchner. He's a drummer who's now joined a band called let down, which...

...is phenomenal. If you haven't seen let down or heard about them, they blake is absolutely blown up on ticktock and and he's got a half a million followers now on there. He's just he's blown up Jake's plain drums with him, but he's also still playing on some of the songs that I've written and recorded my so the new record will probably have a there's there's a song called Blue Stars and song called high ground that are pretty much done. Rashid Rashi Thomas from nonpoint played guitar. Oh Wow. Okay, the song called high ground and it's a it's a monster of a tune. It's really heavy. It's pretty mean. It was actually working on some music last night. I've got a cover, cover of bring me the horizon song called sleepwalking. Okay, I kind of reimagine with keyboards and I sing it in Octoblower, super trippy and kind of depth tones, creepy, with lots of delay and voices and stuff. Um. So, yeah, that's kind of a very high level state of union with Jannis. There is a new song that does not have a title yet that it's completely dumb. It's getting ready to be mixed. It's one that Mike wrote and then actually he and I kind of Co wrote pieces of it and Johnny's going to play on it, AL's going to play on it, and we're going to release that single, hopefully in July. Okay, and then when we release that new single we're actually going to drop armor, which is our our record that we self release, self produced, before Red Right Return. Okay, Nice. And if you haven't heard it armor or seen it out there. It's not on any of the digital channels yet. I think it's been I think pieces of it are out there just on youtube or maybe shared files or whatever. But it's an awesome record. We did with Manny Sanchez, who did a lot of fall outboys stuff, and it's a real edgy, cool record. It's kind of where I first discovered I could screen that kind of creepy, blood curdling, melt your ear drum screen. There's a lot of it on that record and it's a there's a really cool, edgy record that we've been waiting to drop for several years and just holding off for an excuse to drop that record on a new single seems like the perfect opportunity to do that nice when red right return came out. And then I start getting into you guys. I tried. I knew you guys had a couple albums before that and I just couldn't get my hands on it. So I'm looking forward to to listening to that armor. Armor is definitely the one that I'm proud of. Anything before that. I'm trying not to let you get a hold of the fair enough, because it's not not pleasing to the years and my opinion that is not age. Well, put it that way. Fair enough. All right. So now, so let's go back a little bit, going back to red reperturn real quick. initially how I found you, guys. My friend was the one who kind of pointed me in your direction after listening to eyesore, and at once I heard that, I was like, let me get the album, and I mean six letters sent. I absolutely love that Song, such a great winding track. The whole album is good, but I sore like my understanding is that song is is kind of like the struggle with mental health, if I'm not mistaken, get me honest there. Is that right? You know, I would say yes, yes, and no. I yes in a sense that it's really it's really just about that song probably summarizes our state of mind when we were a baby band trying to get signed. Okay, because we were working with different producers and managers and people that were we're trying to trying to get we're interested in signing the band, but they hadn't hurt a herd a quote unquote single, and every single band is trying to get signed. The the record labels that want to sign them won't sign them unless they hear what's called a quote unquote single. So we ended up in that can really mess with your head when you're an artist. You know, you end up writing songs that you think people want to hear or that you think is a quote unquote single, and you start to kind of lose yourself and lose your...

...identity in terms of what you know, why you're right, why you write songs, and it's really when you when you stop trying to please people and you just focus on what gets you off and what you're inspired about. And we wrote that song. You know, I never thought in a million years that I could scream all the way through a chorus and extend and expect people to call it a single. And so we kind of did that as as like an Fu to the whole process of trying to assign it the whole like we're just going to go out on our own, but the kind of music out that we want and if, if the world likes it, great, if not, we care less because we were just trying to be true to ourselves. So and I think that if you you know that song just in a nutshell, that precurse really sums it up. You know, just looking in the mirror. If you're not true to yourself and you're pretending to be someone else for too long, you know you're not going to like what you see in that mirror. Yeah, it's really going to. You're to become something that you're not proud of. You going to be a person that you're not happy with, and that's it's just. That sounds really just about being kind of true to your your heart, essentially Nice, kind of the subtle art of not giving a fuck, basically. Yeah, yeah, and trying to just be the the best you that's inside and not not let people influence your art or even what you want to do in life. Yeah, now, also the album cover. I've noticed your album covers that I have seen, redd returned, the knocks artists, were unique and interesting. Now the one with red right return that kind of had this almost like a I guess like a Russian really kind of like a communist ish like vers. How did you come up with the design for that? Sure, so it was really so. I actually studied painting at Maryland Institute College of Art and design, okay, in Baltimore, so I was in the only thing that I was really good at when I was a kid and young was was art and painting. I was a visual artist and I'm that was kind of a sea student, B Plus C student, and so it just seemed to make sense for me to lean into what I was good at the time, which was painting and art. And and so I got into the Russian constructivist period of art. Okind of that s war poster propaganda that just had a cool graphics style to it in a look. And then we kind of leaned into that that kind of suit of armor per se, because I just like the irony about the fact that those songs on that record are so personal. Yeah, it's such an introspective subject, banner and a lot of those songs that it just seemed funny and almost ironic to put a whole extroverted, you know, kind of strong, militant looking persona around the uniforms that we wore the artwork, because it was just completely the opposite of what the actual songs were about. Yeah, so it just seemed kind of kind of fun. And then I got into that particular period of art just because of the the just the look of it, the color scheme there was really no meaning or significance behind the the actual period, that the actual country, okay, Russia, or that particular kind of time period, nothing other than just we like the look of that Russian constructive as artwork. And then that's kind of it. What influence and then when I ended up doing was I ended up drawing a lot of that stuff in illustrator. Adobe illustrator just did all the illustration work, and then I started grabbing old print outs of different the front and back of different monetary notes, Russian monetary notes, and just started folding those in is overlays and textures and then scraping and gritting up, like all the edges and try...

...to kind of age it. It kind of age that artwork. So it was a we inside of that record there is a poster of us in that same illustration style. I don't know if you've ever seen that picture, not the inside part. Now you know I should. I'm going to pot I'll post that to instagram. Maybe I'll do it later today, because there's a band poster of us that's in the was inside the CD. That's how old that that record is sea and the band poster is an illustration that I did and I traced, over I clock, composited a bunch of photographs of us that we shot with a photographer and then I spent probably twelve hours tracing each one of our figures and chaps and shadings and built that poster into what it was. I mean it was a huge labor of just I swear to myself is like never doing that again. After that illustration, it was just mine numbing, gratuitous, tedious listing computer work. That aged me in that twelve hours. That sounds like my Halloween outfits. I spend over a forty fifty hours on my halloween outfit. So you really? Yeah, Dude, yeah, I gotta, you gotta Send Me sent didn't send me a link. We yeah, we do with the family every year. And Yeah, I spend I did a spaceship one. I think it was a hundred hours. Oh my God, I start in September. Oh my God, I know. I got one other buddy who's super into Halloween because because nuts, and intentionally don't take my kids near his out over the line. Yeah, topping each year. I got a toss it every time. I'm like God, then me. Yeah, send me a link to is it ain't that on instagram or facebook. I I'll put it together. Yeah, I'll do alge a collage of all all of them together. I have that. Then Snia link. We definitely so so knocks ours. that a random note about that, by the way. Speaking of Russia, so I got that album not too long before I actually wounded up taking a trip to Russia and it was in two thousand and twelve and as we're on the it's like a nine hour of flight. The one song that was jamming to was in flames, which is probably not the best song to listen to on a Ninehour plain ride. Moscow also not so much. I liked it. That was I got this album. Is Great that the cover for that one too is almost early appropriate for the past year and a half. But yeah, that album absolutely rocks. And now moving to to drive right. So a question there. Many talked about before, like why you wanted to do that song and of all the songs to cover right, like that's that's a it's a great song on its own right. The original is a great song. By the cars. Is there? Do you think there's any like added pressure on you to cover a song that's already like good on its own and I thought your cover was fantastic, by the way, absolutely loved it. But do you think there's like any extra pressure on you to cover a song that's already a massive hit? So it's a great question and I would say yes. So the version that I released of that cover was probably the third rendition that I had done of that song. Okay, I had. I had kind of fallen on my face two or three times before I landed on that interpretation of the song. And just because, you know, whenever you do a cover, I'm working on a bringing the verizon cover that they're they're single sleepwalking, which is just pin screaming nonstop throughout that entire track. And you know, I think that it. I think any artist, big or famous or small, like you're going to you're gonna do a cover song, unless you're a tribute band...

...and you're trying to sound exactly like I'm. I think you got the responsibility of putting your own spin on it, making it feel like it's your own. And as soon as I had rocked up the guitars and I dug into that sixteen note or eighth note pattern, I was like and then I put that Trim Guitar in there, that Tremolo, kind of like Staccato Guitar in there. That's when it really started to take on its own, its own kind of vibe. And then as soon as I got into the versus, I must have done a hundred takes of those versus and I would sing it and I'd be like, it sounds like I'm singing a cover, and then I just kept turning my headphones down and singing it quieter and quieter and quieter, and so I was just like I'm going to sing this as quiet as I possibly can and whisper it almost, and that's when those verses started to really find their own kind of sound and it felt different enough and ownable enough that I was like, yeah, this is I think this is going to work. Now what is the process? I always thought about this, like what is the process of the copyright and and having that song and actually performing it and put it out? That's a single. How is that process work? Sure? So ultimately what ends up happening is the the the writer of the song, will will still get their royalties paid out to them. So, but I get performance right because I performed it. So that's how that splits and you know, you register it with whatever songwriting, you know, Publishing Company here with and then you know, the the cars are collecting whatever writing credits on that it's. So it's that. It's pretty straightforward. Pretty much anyone can can cover a song and as long as you don't try to publish it and claim that you wrote it, you're not going to get in trouble. Okay, nice, and you said. So the proceeds of that way to help? Was it help support bipolar disorder research? Yeah, so we worked, actually, I ended up working with so we mentioned the jet foundation in the video, but we ended up doing a live benefit, a release Party at oak fire, my pizza place in Lake Taniva, shut down the second floor and a huge sound system in that place and then Jake and I perform the song and did a fun raiser for a local nonprofit health clinic called open arms, okay, and we raise just over fourzero for them mice through through the money that that was that that we generated, which was just awesome and it went, it really went to help pay for a dollar for every for every dollar that we raise pace for ten dollars worth medicine. So if you think about the the numbers. They're we made a huge impact with that. Yeah, now, that's great. So it's yeah, we were excited to do it and open arms was there at the event. They were they were really thrilled, and particularly to be able to support the mental health arm of that organization, because it open arms services people at or below the poverty level that qualify for basically for free medical services that they provide. So they live and breathe and die off of their their donations as a foundation. So every dollar helps that organization. That's great. That's a good it's a good amount to to help donate. So that's a definitely something to be proud of for sure. And we we did an episode, I think it was back in the fall time, we talked about mental health and we actually the the song that used to what we do is we talked about like a song and we kind of dig into the lyrics. I feel like are the the title of our show songs gone wrong? I feels a little bit harsh, like we'Rena, we're not, we're not coming. We're not total assholes over here, you know, we we're just like music nerds. Well, I had a lot of stories about songs going wrong. So we can get into that. But we like tell you know, mean I I've always liked to,...

...you know, dig into the lyrics a lot and I feel like I've been doing that a lot were the past year and one of the songs we discussed about mental health was stressed out from twenty one pilots. I've really been getting into those guys because their lyrics are so layered. It's pretty intense how great they put their lyrics together. And you know, we talked about anxiety and mental health in general. With covid you know, there was a huge uptick in depression and anxiety and there's a we found the statistic in Morbidity and Mortality Weekly, which, by the way, that publication sounds like a lot of fun. I don't know why you call a magazine Morbidity and Mortality Weekly, like who wants to read about that every week anyway, but they were saying that anxiety and depression rose about forty one point five percent during covid. So it's I feel like it's one of those things that's kind of everywhere. You know, basically half half the country is, you know, dealing with it in one fast or another. But one thing that I saw that really stuck with me was is about twelve and a half percent of adults said they needed, but did not receive, counseling. So I'm not sure how much of that was like maybe lack of availability or counseling or maybe the stigma around counting. But how do you think they can break down or help break down that stigma, you know, about talking about mental health? You know, it's it's a great question and I I I can only really speak to what I personally try to do to address it and that was the the best way that I could kind of help was to pour my passion and energy into art and music. So I made that that video for that drive song to try and get people inspired to open up and talk about it and if nothing else, you know, I wanted to. When I started to learn more about bpd, bipolar disorder, I started reading just all of these facts and statistics that I had no idea about, and you know, when you try to support a family member with severe bipolar disorder, you you know, I'm our family was not prepared, we're not educated, not armed, and it's still a challenge and it can be misinterpreted and you know, misdirected hostility. You know, it can be interpreted is just playing hostility. So what I tried to do was just put stuff that I found intriguing or interesting, that I didn't know about into the video so that people who would watch the video would be like, Oh, I didn't know that, or Oh that, I found that interesting. And I will say that, putting that song out, I was able to play it for a couple different organizations. We aired the video at the event. I meant it. We did an MPR interview in Madison with discussing kind of mental health and talking about it. And what I found so fascinating is that what I find fascinatings every time I've talked to somebody about that video or about that song, even even on a even an MPR I went and we did an interview and then as soon as the interview was done, the woman was walking me out of the building and she said, and this happens to me every single time that song comes up or somebody watches that video. So that person or somebody will pull me aside to go you know what, I know somebody that that struggled with it or you have my uncle committed suicide and we're pretty sure he added it's like every single person pulls me aside kind of whispers in my ear that yeah, yeah, I got this person that I know or are I struggle to that and just the fact that they're comfortable enough to even just whisper it, I feel like, is a base step in progress right rather yeah, keeping it inside, there at least talking about it and maybe that person goes home and talk so at ducks...

...to someone else about it or shares the song. So I think that that is you know, if if we can get people listening to art or inspiring people to kind of read lyrics, get involved or even, you know, or I decided to hit the list, hit people over the head with a hammer and just play actual statistics right their pens about about mental health in that video. So that's all. That's all. I really think that. You know, from my perspective, what I think can kind of help jump start the conversation. I think that, if I think it's the media and government agencies are addressing it and making mental health part of and and the education system, making mental health just as important as as diet and other health and physical activity. You know, we're taught as as kids about, you know, protein, vegetables and healthy diet. I think that it really should be part of the curriculum to talk about mental health and coping mechanisms, and I as the one thing that my kids aren't. There's no formal training or structure, you know, in there and when they're when they're in school. You know, my son experience and bullying and had no skills to manage stress frustration. Yeah, you know, and it's really up to us to kind of wing it at home, to really coach him and then teach him what what few skills we have. So and exercises. That's always been for me, that the way to go. I'd my mind, you know. So you look like you're in still in good shape. Oh Yeah, I actually I have. I housed the has the racquetball game. I play racketball handful of times, but I'm more into running and then working out. And then my wife's super into fitness and went to college for nutrition and fitness. She's season nominal shape, but I'm almost back to my my college weight, which one hundred and sixty eight. I'm about five hundred and eleven. So that's really where I'm working towards it. Probably about about five pounds ago, my son I just have been doing tons of pushups, free weights in a lot of cardio, just lots and lots of running, and that's really kind of the I'm really into burpies to just because he can score the Wisconsin you can't go outside when it's twenty yellow, and just really doing tons and tons of burpies as well as running inside. And my wife super into weighted jump ropes. Now that's like yeah, so she's buying me a set of way to jump rope, so I'm excited to kind of try it. She kind of presented to me all the like you can run for thirty minutes and burn these calories, or you can do fifteen minutes of this waited jump rope and burn double, double efairy some light and I watch or do it and it looks easy. My my eight year old daughter's got a little jump rope. She jumps right along with her. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure to wait to jump rope and Burke's will definitely keep you guys warm up there and Shila. But yeah, exercise is huge. I mean I started working out because I was like kind of dealing with some anxiety over the the pandemic and stuff, and I feel like, starting in January, I gotta work out plan, you know, a diet plan and everything else, and I've been sticking to it actually this whole year, which is something I've never done. So congrassman. Thanks. Yeah, and it definitely helps. I mean they also say that, you know, a good workout or a good run is about as effective, if not more effective, than taking like medication for anxiety. So it's actually better than taking like a a soul lofter or something else. So I try to her do that. But yeah, I mean, and also when you think about it right, you know, I think when it comes to...

...exercise, you know, don't think about doing the work, you know, because it does kick your butt. That's the point of it. But you know, if anybody's ever worked out before, you know you usually right afterwards. You might be a little guest, but you usually feel awesome afterwards, and I feel like if you're trying to oh yeah, bar it out, you know, maybe just focus on that's like, I know what I'm done. I'm going to feel awesome afterwards. So I think that's a good way to kind of keep things going. But yeah, and then and for longevity to you know, there's Oh yeah, there's a guy that I started following on instagram. His name David Sinclair. He's a, yeah, like Harvard professor. He's he's basically trying to cure and amen, which is he's basically there's amazing things. It's like the wild west in terms of of combating age ages them. It's now, I guess, classified as a disease that he's driving for. YEA, yeah, which is not. But he talks a lot about how, you know, exercises literally the key to kind of turning back the clock. Yeah, and makes will physically make you younger. It's pretty wild just at a cell your cellular biological level, what exercise can really do for you, you know, your sharpness of mind as well as just your your it can literally rewind your biological kind of age clock with yeah, Oh, yeah, yeah, I've listened to Saint Claire on I think I might have been Rogan and it might have been I can't think of his name. He does a lot of like triathlons and iron man's. I can't think of his name, but it was interesting listener sinclair, because he found like some kind of molecule or something like that. I think he says he was. You know, they figured it out like a mice and I guess they're trying to work on it with with humans too, and it's when it when you think about it, it's like wow, that actually makes a lot of sense. But it's crazy to like how just medicine and we're just getting more granular and really down in there and trying to figure things out. So it's definitely interesting. Yeah, I think there's literally one gene or a couple genes that they identified that literally flip a switch, yes, some point in your biology and just tell yourselves start dying. It's pretty wild. Ye Know, it's Eis there. They're like they're getting close to being able to just tell that dean to fff off right. Yeah, pretty I think in terms of mice, they were able to regenerate, I guess, and a blind mouse has regenerated optic nerve and and be able to kind of get the mouth to seeing it. Yeah, just wild. Oh yeah, that that opens up a lot of doors for other treatments and other things too. So it's, Yep, definitely interesting to see like where things progressed. There's my wife and I'm you watch PBS BECAUSE WE'RE NERDS. But there's a there's something. I think it's called like the history of living longer or something like that. It's like a multipart series and it's really interesting, just like seeing like how things even with the covid vaccine, right, like how they essentially were, like it's almost like the upgrade uploaded a program into our bodies. It was like, if you see these proteins with these particular spikes on them, here's what you need to do to fight them, and then when it sees it, it fights it, as opposed to like the old method of, you know, creating a vaccine. So it's really interesting to see where things go with but we'll see man now getting away from from mental health and kind of going to stolen sisters, right. So that came out early last year, early two thousand and twenty, and my understanding is that is about missing and murdered indigenous women. Correct, is that? But that's about yeah, yeah, there's one of my buddies online who's also Janas Fan. I just was literally posted, I think the facebook post, just asking people there was any particular charity or organization or cause that they were passionate about, because I'm working on more music and this guy sent me a link to an article about the about kind of that crisis among the indigenous population and I was just blown away by, I just moved to tears by this this article about what what's happening in...

...and kind of the challenges for a lot of these families in terms of trying to pursue justice, trying to find find these people that have gone missing and and I just wanted to shine a light on it. And the song literally, the Churts, wrote itself as soon as I've read that article and I was like I got to build a song around this. It took me a year to get that song produced, done and the video shot because I really really wanted to find a native American organization that partner with me and help me get it right. Yeah, just because, not being part of that culture, I didn't I was very, very cautious and careful about the lyrics speaking on that subject manner involving any imagery, and I really wanted to make sure I had the blessing of someone part of that culture. And I found this woman in need, Al Casey, is just doing groundbreaking work for sovereign bodies institute. She's probably the most prominent national figure speaking on that issue and actually doing something about it. She's built an incredible database of of missing and murder in did this women and girls, and she was kind enough to work with me, bless the lyrics, provide statistics from her database. That made it into that video and she reached out to indigenous families and asked for photographs of their they're missing to include our video, which I was blown away by. Oh yeah, so I got I got these photographs emailed me and I printed them out and then worked with gray spot, who's the company that shot the video, but went into their studio and then laid all these photographs out on a table and shot the photographs with with a video camera and it was so it was a long process and and involved and and we were able to raise a couple thousand dollars for her institute, which I really grateful for. And so, yeah, it was. That was an amazing kind of experience and journey. And then to be able to work on that song with David Bennett in New York. I actually played the same Gibson less Paul baritone guitar that Ben Burnley played on a lot onto the breaking Benjamin records. Oh Wow, kind of a weird thrill. That's awesome. found. Yeah, I was able to play that guitar on that track. And then, and then David got kind of inspired about you know, I told him what the song was about. He was intrigued. He agreed to work with me. Jake and I drove out there and we posted a picture of an artist that that did the artwork for that cover. Yep, those are really nice time. So, yeah, and she is the artist. I can't remember name now and I'm going to kick myself, but I found that artwork online. I reached out to the artists and hey, can I use this for this song, and she was like absolutely, and then I printed out that picture. I believe that the title that paints felled vanished and I hung that picture up in the studio the entire time we were working. So that dated is engineer Brian Robbins's just phenomenal. Jake and myself were just reminded of why we are doing what we're doing. Yeah, throughout that whole process. So it was it was cool, very, very moving experience the same time. You know, I think it helped, because David just puts you through the grinder and he's got incredibly high expectations and beats the crap out of you just that you wake up and keep coming back from more nice. I call him the professor of today's birthday. Actually, I wish them happy birthday on his facebook timeline. Nice, Nice. So being a rock start, you never grew your hair long. Oh, I had long hair. Yeah, you're just super, super curly, super fairly and everybody's told me I look like Gavin Rossdale's. I cut it. Yeah, I got the fresh nice fade going. Yeah, I got the shave. Finally was able to grow some facial hair.

So yeah, it's Weare, because I saw a statistic somewhere that around four thousand cases of missing and murdered, indigitous women and girls have been documented in US and Canada, which is it's terrible and I feel like in general, how we've treated natives here in America, it's it's deplorable right a lot of people, and in the I'm like a big history nerves and I love reading up on history and a lot of people, when you look back at history, the Alvious, think like Oh, Andrew Jackson's a hero. You know, old I feel like old Hickory was pretty much a jerk off, you know. and Oh yeah, based on sell it lads. Oh yeah, yeah, he stole land from people in the southeast and he was like, Oh, here, here's a contract outside, you guys, we're going to take this, you guys. You guys, move west and then that's that's where your land is. And then when they move out West, there's plato settlers already there and they're like not, not, it's not here, it's actually further out west. And basically they kept moving and moving. Hence the trail of tears, which I feel like totally got glossed over in history class. And and basically they're like, you know, and I remember learning in schools like Oh, Andrew Jackson's a great war hero, a tough guy, I acquired a lot of land for United States child tears. And then now on the mart even burenen his, you know, weird fucking haircuts. So it's just weird, you know, how a lot of things get glossed over like that. So that's really neat that you, you know, brought some attention to that. So that was really awesome. Yeah, I mean there's there's so much to be done there and it's Oh yeah, and Nita's just making some I think she's really making progress. She actually is a tracker to so when La Running the institute, you will actually take breaks. There was a time period where she was just gone for a couple months. I couldn't get hold of her. She's like, I'm going to be tracking with a my partner around where they're actually going out to find these women and girls, and she's so she's just a huge inspiration and doing powerful, powerful work in that space. But you know that the biggest crime tragedies, you know, put if the tribal member, you know there a lot of the kids and young folks to just like us. They go to college, they they you know. But if they are tribal member and let's say something happens to them in in Newark, New Jersey, right and they go missing or they get ranked in an alley or something, the the local jurisdiction, they the local police, even the state police, can't do anything. It becomes it's instantly a federal jurisdiction. Matter a lot of times it just gets lost in the second verse of that Song. Is really all about the the struggle just trying to get through the red tape and the politics and just the jurisdiction mess that gets made, you know, in the lack of attention from local and state law enforcement and and then also mired and just hypocrisy and lost in the shuffle and at the federal level. So yeah, it's really isn't. Isn't any good structure or infrastructuring place to for these women and girls, girls either be found or or justice served. And most of what I discovered I thought that it was a human trafficking crisis. It really is not. It's all the data and statistics lean heavily into just violence again, women, murder and violence. So educating, educating the male population is really there's a there's an organization called the Buffalo Project that's that's really addressing that side of the trying to get to the root cause of it. So I wish there's more I could do and it's tough when you're not part of that the that community or culture. Yeah, there were a lot of organizations that said no, would not work with me on this project that, you know, for whatever reason interesting. Yeah, so it was very challenging, very tough for me to try and strike a common ground with someone in the community that would even allow me, for trust me enough to even talk to me. Yeah, so it was. It was challenging. You know, you you would think you're trying to give money to an organization. They would they would instantly say yes, but...

...it it one not that way in that in that community. Yeah, it's that culture and community, you know, is is a tight knit community and they, like you said, there's been a lot that they've had a deal with and strong. Yeah, Oh, yeah, and and the injustice has are the list of a Mile Long. So yeah, absolutely. And to your point before it start, like the violence towards them, I had some notes here between one thousand nine hundred and eighty and two thousand and twelve indigenous women and girls represented sixteen percent of all female homicides and Canada, while only making up four percent of the female population. So those numbers are like massively disproportionate. So yeah, yeah, in Canada. It's a huge problem to Canada and I feel like the new prime minister there's trying to make difference on that. I don't know much regarding specifics of what he's doing, but I know it's at least been brought up and there's some attention being paid to it. Yeah, cool. Now last question I have here Dape. So what's the next cause you're going to be working for or working along with? So it's interesting. The the Janis like the old lineup of Janis, isn't they don't necessarily share my singular kind of passion for putting songs out for causes. So I'm kind of since I'm kind of the last standing member of Dannis, kind of the original founder of the band, I I'm still kind of in an autonomous position where I'm able to still make some songs with Jake as a duo and put out some Dannis tracks that are strictly mental health related. There's some of Blue Stars that I worked on. It's done and Chris Granger, who mixes all of our stuff, Ted Jensen masters that. They're both in Nashville. He's working on the final mix for Blue Stars. That one is really about Blue Star families, which are our families that have active service members. Okay, in the military, Yep, my mom was in the army for thirty thirty years tireded, and so I was a we were Blue Star family in I feel like there's not. There's a lot of work out there, a lot of songs. You know, I feel like five finger death bunches quarter the market on songs for the military just serves the hill service members out there. And Yeah, but I don't think that there's a lot of people telling the story or supporting the families. You know that that are our state side, trying to support service members that are deployed. Yeah, and I know what that's like. You know, my mom climbed on a plane to Germany when I was when I was really young, and I'll never forget the day that she left and she spent nine years over there. Oh Wow, I visited a couple times, but it's a long time. She was deployed. Yeah, she was employed there, and so, you know, I know what that feeling is like to to to kind of go through that separation, deal with that distance and in my struggle was nothing compared to what families that you know a wife is stateside with kids and their husband's floyd. That's a whole nother level of sacrifice and so I really like the idea of shining light on that and some of the statistics involved and hopefully we'll get to make a video for that song too. So yeah, that's a that's probably the next philanthropic kind of mission song. And then the the newest song that we're going to release is really it's again probably more about mental health and and even probably substance abuse too. Okay, you know, there's there's no lack of that in the music world or business. You know, Tory and traveling, you see a lot of yeah, a lot of that. And so there was a cathartic kind of song that we wrote. What the origins of the song? Pieces of the song we wrote pretty much after right right around where we were breaking up. Okay, just kind of a reaction, reflection...

...of that, that life on the road and experiencing kind of the stress and of the traveling and whatnot. And so what we don't we don't have a title for the song. It's done, all the lyrics are done and I don't know why I haven't picked the title for it. But yeah, that song is that's probably going to be the that will be the first single that we release. And so handful of these songs with the Old Janis lineup will not be tied to any causes okay, they're just simply kind of Janis songs that the original lineup worked on, and then there's going to be a handful of songs that Jake and I are going to work on on the new record that will be tied to causes and whatnot. I will be focused on that. So it's a little little bit of a Hodgepotch. Nice now, that sounds great. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to that when it comes out. That'd be cool. Yeah, I'm joining the the tick tockers of the world too, and I'm going to launched my my I've got this little clip of the bring me the horizon song that I worked on last night actually that I'm going to launch a little tick tock video for teasing out some of the some of the vocal performances on the new record with clips to try and build some buzz and build some some awareness of the the Janis project kind of resurfacing. Nice now. I'm looking forward to it. Cool. Sounds good. Man. Well, thank you very much. I really appreciate you taking time eighter day to speak with us. It was awesome. I'm at thanks true, thanks back. Good up with everything. See. Yeah, all right,.

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