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She Don't Use Jelly by The Flaming Lips

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We tackle yet another 90s classic tune, this time it is She Don't Use Jelly by The Flaming Lips. How will Dave and Drew vote on this one? What will the listeners think? And why do people put vaseline on their toast? So many questions, but Drew and Dave have the answers for you about this 90s gem.

Hey everyone, and welcome to songs gone wrong, where we, along with you, the fans, decide if these hit songs got it right, or did those songs go wrong? I'm one of your host drew Zachman, and joining me as always, is Dave Schultz. Dave, how are you doing today? Good, sir, I am fantastic. I'm so happy, so so happy, that we're taking a deep dive into psychedelic music by talking the flaming lips. So much so I prepared for this episode by dropping five hits at triple dip white blodder. I don't even know what that means. It's LSD, you fool. Sorry, sorry, I'm drug free. I pass on grass. Yeah, yeah, you're smart guy. Yeah, and other things, I guess, says the Guy who sees about five pink elephants right now. You're pretty smart. I don't know if I'd go that far, but I'll tell you what what I would suggest, and if you haven't done so already, make sure you guys sit subscribe to make sure you get all of our episodes and they come out, which in fact is twice a week, and if you could also leave us a five star review, that would be deeply appreciated and if you do so, let us know and we'll have some stickers mailed out to you. And you can also follow us on twitter at songs gone they also instagrams the same at songs gone or you can drop us an email sgw podcast at gmailcom, or visit our website, songs gone wrongcom. If you go to our songs gone wrongcom website, there's a little section there for videos you can watch. And yes, we are absolutely doctoring...

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...give it a listen study and then we'll have the the information come out the next day. That's how we roll. Yep, this episode we are talking about another s classic song. I feel like this, this song definitely qualifies as a s classic. But we were talking about the flaming lips hit song she don't use jelly off their album transmissions from the satellite heart, which came out in one thousand nine hundred and ninety three, and it was written by Wayne Coin, Ronald Jones, Michael Ivans and Steven Draws. Now, Dave, what are some of your memberies of this song? I'm going to lead off with the diagram of a scam, because many of you out there are old enough, and I know you are true, to remember Columbia House Music Club, Right, Oh yeah, oh yeah. Well, a friend of mine gave me a tip and he was like, Hey, man, if you want some CDs but you don't want to pay for them, just have them shipped to a Po box. And so I thought this is brilliant and I did that and I got whatever it was like your introductory CDs, and I didn't stop there. I even did it with BMG. Do you remember BMG? Oh, I remember on both. Okay, BMG was a little bit lamer. Could actually say BMG in the UPC code on the back of the CD. But I remember this one specifically because when I got this album, it was from BMG illegally. How about you, drew, and legally? How did you get it? Legally, because I never paid for it. True. Oh, oh, got, you got you guys. Come on now, buddy. Yeah, so that's that guy. But listen a minute. What? What? So, so that whole Po box they worked? Yeah, yeah, no, Shit, yeah, totally. But I do want to remind everybody out there before they say, you know, Dave, you're terrible. You're horribly human being, you know, which has some merit, don't get me wrong, but I have paid my debt to be MG and Columbia House through Karma over the span of my life. So it's...

...one of those kind of deals. So you know, before you go dragging me through the streets by my tone nails, saying what kind of lousy guy would steal a few CDs from a Mega Corporation. Well, you know, what goes around comes around. Yeah, it all works itself out, I guess right, even Stephen Baby. Yeah, there the reason why I wasn't sure yours out the way you were like leading up to it, and I was like waiting for you to say it didn't work out, but it did. Always, surely at least I worked out, as far as you you know, not having to pay for it. So I was like, I was waiting for you to be like, Oh, they charge me. They still hunted meet, they still were over the hot me down and you know, charge they might be. They could be like one guy, kind of like Mr Bookman from Seinfeld. For any Signfeld fans out there, he was a librarian guy, the like librarian police, who would track down books even if they hadn't been returned in like thirty years. So who knows? There's some BMG guy out there and he's been looking for me and then he's listening to songs gone wrong. He's like, I got Ya, now, I got you, get bastard, you know, and he's in a come for the my flaming Lipsy d yeah, yeah, I remember when this came out. It really stood out from pretty much any other song at that time, which says a lot because the s had some crazy stuff going on. But yeah, I remember the the video was cool. The song was just odd, but I definitely remember liking it at the time. So I'm really excited to talk about this one because this is definitely a trip down memory lane. MMM, got that right. Yeah, so she don't use Jelly. Peak that number fifty five during the week of February. Twenty five, one thousand nine hundred and ninety five. I feel like this. I feel like this was a little bit higher, but I guess not, because I feel like it was everywhere, you know in the in the mid S, right where you were, you could not hear this song. But Yep, yeah, she don't use Jelly has been streamed over twenty five million times on spotify,...

...with the flaming lips having over one point eight million monthly listeners. So they're still they're still bringing people in. But some of the other songs on the US billboard hot one hundred, number one was take a bow by Madonna. Too, was creep by TLC. Three was on bended knee by boys, two men for was another night by real McCoy, and five was baby by Brandy. So it was a decent little top five. They're some other good tunes they had on the chart that week. Were you got to be? By desire at seven, hold my hand, by Hoodie at Zen. Here comes the hot stepper, by any COMMOZI. At twenty four, boys, two men were back with I'll make love to you at thirty. A hundred percent pure love by crystal waters was at thirty eight, and I'll stand by you by the pretenders at forty. Also, forty seven was new age girl by dead eyed Dick. Great tune and loved it, and dumb and dummer. And at fifty three, two spots in front of the flaming lips was Portois, head with Sour Times. Well, I think we should do an episode on Port Said. What do you think we could? I would not mind doing that one iota. Yeah, yeah, that's a decent little list. Back then from songs on the US billboard, hot one hundred, pretty pretty solid all around. Good diversity seemed very well. You say diversity, but I was going to say I didn hear a lot of rock tracks being dropped. A couple Hooty, but I didn't hear other kind of like alternative rock acts being thrown out there as much as I would have expected. Yeah, I mean, so the me you had be done. And they're right. Yeah, like some, some big hitters, like Madonna. That you had boys, two men, and then he had a couple, like I want to say one hit. Wonders because, you know, some of the other stuff was pretty good, but he had any Camozy, dead eyed Dick write the flaming lips. I mean technically sour times by poor deis head was their only hit over here in the US. So it's pretty pretty good list. Yeah, I'm not. It's thrilled with. It is as you are.

Well, that's a shame. I'm sorry, but if we had to go back in time, I'd probably like this stinks. You could, you know, revel in the glory of that week of the billboard hot one hundred. Well, I would grumble him on level. You will, I will revel, you will roll in it like a happy little puppy. That's right. Now, how does this song compare to the other songs on the album? Well, let's start here. Turn it on. That's how the album starts off. Awesome Song. I love that. It's a great tune. I like she don't use Jelly, but I I feel like that's kind of like a sentimental favorite, you know, because this because you know, brings me back to that time. But I feel like my actual favorite is probably turn it on good tune. Then the next song, oh my pregnant head, is a cool, too cool, chill song, and then we get to she don't use Jelly, and then after that, chewing the apple of your eye, another cool tune. Superhumans was a decent song. Be My head. This is such a cool song. I love be my head. The whole album is great. I think if you haven't listened to it, give it a shot. Some songs are almost like almost halls, like a nirvana light sound, if I can say that from like a music standpoint. kind of has like that feel to it, that alternative sound. There's some chill stuff on there and some songs, like be my head, have a little bit of everything in there. But overall this album is more than you know, just the one hit song. Highly recommend it. And then how does she don't use Jelly? Compared to the rest of the album, lyrically, it stands out as it's just, you know, random. Musically. I think it fits but the lyrical contents what really sets a depart from the rest of the songs. Daved, you have any any thoughts on how she don't use Jelly compared to the rest of the songs on the album? Well, our I'm going to I'm kind of struggling with this because I love the flaming lips. I mean I was the first guy in lined by Ziareka,...

...which I don't know if you're familiar with it, but that was our album. We had to play many CDs at the same time to try to get it. You basically had a different experience every time you listen to it. We ever heard about this one now, but that sounds like a horrible idea. It will you know it is and it isn't it. I mean at the age I was at that point in time and what I was interested in, which may have in fact included psychedelics and what have you, it was incredible. It was awesome. It was a little difficult because you'd have to ask you neighbors to borrow their CD players so you could try to like arrange it sold experiment. But this is not one of my favorite flaming lips albums. I think there's a handful of better ones out there, especially stuff that came after this that's really influential, really important, while stuff really great lyrically musically. But this album, for me, despite the fact that I stole it from BMG, he was kind of this kind of whole hum compared to the rest of their catalog. Fair enough, it's a fair assessment. I haven't personally listened to much other of their stuff. I feel like I probably should, yes, but yeah, I'm I did like this album when it came out. Now, lyrically speaking, yeah, the songs pretty interesting say the least. You know the Vibe I got, I feel, and stick with me here on this one. Okay, I feel like the song is almost comparable to mmmmm by the crash test dummies. Now, although the crashest funnies came out. Yeah, the crashes Dummies came out a year later. This, this song, charted after so this song charted in ninety five, but it came out in ninety three. Crash has dummies are actually sandwich right in the middle that. They came out in ninety four, right, but you know, they talked about these three people, much like the crashest dummies do, and they describe something about them right now where they veer off the same path. I feel the crashes Ummies that Song Tell Stories about these like...

...unfortunate situations that the people were in and then at the end, before the last verse, they say that they were glad that the last person had it worse than them. So in this song, yeah, not so much. So we know drum the song lyrically well. The thing is, when you were comparing it to the crash chest dummies, MMM, which we covered in the past. It's available bowl in our archives, so if you haven't listened to it, make sure you go check out that episode. Is A gem, a real gem of a show, sure, as we had talked about unique vocalists during that one and we didn't discuss way in coin, and to me it's one of those things where his voice is an easy identifier. Right the moment you hear it, you know it's him. It's definitely bizarre. It's not traditional in the least and in many ways, like we talked about with the crash test dummies, with the deep voice, his is more playful. Way In coin that is more childish, more innocent in its tones, and actually got me thinking like about unique vocalists, if whether it's like someone either love or hat like, let's say something really mainstream, like giddy Lee from rush. You know, I don't know if you like rush or not, but I like rush, but I know so many people who like I just can't take that voice. I can't do it. And the same applies to the flaming lips, where I know people who are like, yeah, I think the music is thick and lush and has a lot going to it, but the vocals are weak and the lyrics are just nonsense and Gibberish, to which I can also understand, despite the fact that I truly enjoy the man's talents. Yeah, that's that's a fair assessment. You know, comparing them to rush. You know how you have that band and musically they're great, but you know sometimes that it's tough to get over the you know, the lead singer. Get past it if you don't like, you know, their particular voice. There's other bands like that too. You know sometimes the Chili peppers. You know, there are another band where are musically I like them and they're very talented, but then sometimes anthony key to something like a well, I mean you know, it take I can only take him in...

...certain like amounts, and I'll stay in the same error since to them right, right. But I mean, let's just stay in the same error here for a second and say Primus Les Claypool Excellently. Yeah, Claire Some but his vocals aren't. They don't have a lot of range to him, and that's that's okay for what they do, for what Primus was and what Primus is. You know what I mean? It's just one of those things it's either love it or you hate it. I don't know this a lot of middle ground there. I don't know. Someone's looking. It's okay, but whatever. But that's what I mean. You, you seem to find when you discuss these kind of songs or very unique or these unique tracks with other people, is usually to the extreme one way of the other. Yeah, not a lot of middle ground. HMM, nope. I do love Primus, though, but the and they're also a playful group right in thewo things that they sing about, and it's, you know, similar Issuan away. MMM. And in the song right now, the first person thinks of ghosts. They'll cook your breakfast, but instead of jelly they will use vasoline. Now here's the question for you. Ever Use Vasoline on your toast? Ah, well, defined toast. Oh Boy, Oh boy, this is a slick. We're talking about bread with walking, about bread and toast. Well then, no, no, but yeah, so the's No. Sorry, fair enough. So, by time this episode airs, we just had Thanksgiving here in the states. Do you ever have like a different type of food or meal for the holidays, like, instead of Turkey, like you have hot dogs or something like that, like you change the holiday meals up at all? Do to do that at all with your family? Never the hell's the matter with you? Who would do such a thing? I wait all year long for my Thanksgiving meal. I mean I'm so excited right now I just can't stand it. Why would I want to switch it up or do something different? I'm just asking. Do you do something different? Do you ever just say, as screw, throw the Turkey out the window, we're...

...going to have shish KEBOBS, and I don't even know about the Tooi. Nope, we have now usually Thanksgiving we're pretty pretty by the book. You know, Turkey, Mash, potatoes, stuffing. My wife makes a really good Broccoli side dish which is amazing, Great Chrismiss you. Yeah, Christmas, we usually do, like my wife, we we do kind of like an Italian type food style for for Christmas. So in your case as well. No, vassilene. No, yeah, we did not use vastline in any of our in any of our meals, whether it's breakfast, lunch or dinner. Okay, but so now now the second person blows his nose, but instead of tissues, uses magazines. I don't see that would be comfortable at all. And then the third person changes her hair, but instead of using die at the store or some quality mannic panic from hot topic, she uses Tangerines, which is a pretty organic I suppose. Yep, hippy dippy using. Yeah, you ever die your hair? Oh Dude, did I ever? Oh boy. Yeah, I think I'm with to show you a photo of an idea have from when I was a kid, because they did not want me to take it at the DMV because I this bright blue hair. I had that shit eating grin on my face like I just got away with murder, like you can't smile like that and have hair like that, and I'm like, of course I can, it's my photo, I can do whatever the hell I want. Get a manager Nice, Yep, but oh yeah, I was a manic panic wild and you know, it's funny because now I don't have any hair, so no one would ever suspect I was once that person. Well, maybe the manic panic killed all your hair from all the oh slow down, there came in Sabby. What, don't be, you know, damning manic panic on air. We're gonna like start some kind of crisis. R Well, whatever. People can be like, Oh my God, manic panic makes go bald, drew said. So. Well, here's the thing. So I was making a joke there because guess what? I used manic panic. I used to actually bleach my goat. Yeah, when I was like nineteen, or I feel like when I was...

...like nineteen to twenty two, I was in this like weird phase in college. I guess a lot of people have a weird phase in college. I don't even know how to describe it other than it's just a weird phase. But Yeah, I actually would bleach because I had like a pretty good goatee and I was like playing baseball back then. So I was like, yeah, we have a let me bleach my goatee, which I don't know, I don't know why I did that. You were young, you needed the money. I didn't. I didn't get any money. Actually, I know, I know. Definitely cost me money and probably cost me a lot of other things too, but like actually going on dates with other girls. Yeah, but you were like guy fiery before guy fiery, you know. Maybe, yeah, he were. Had He actually has like talent? No, no, he doesn't. He has zero talent whatsoever. But I'm sure we can talk about this at a later date, but I cannot stand guy fear Freddy. For whatever I just hid his name. Right now I'm going to say it wrong. Some angry Guy Fuji, Waka Sucky Kaka, that guy. I hate him. Guy fiety. Yeah, he sucks. Well, we even taught we we mentioned him a little bit during our rascal flats episode. Yeah, and he sucked then, he sucks now. Can't stand fair. Hey, that's fair. Okay, that's fair. But yeah, but and also, you know, to get back to the manic panic, I still have like facial hair and stuff, so it didn't actually wipe out my my gote hair, so manic panic does not make it go bald. Yep. So let's just get that out of the way. But you know. So what is the song about? I believe, per the band, the song is about strange people and their individual idiosyncrasies. HMM, but also societal norms, right. Perhaps this song is trying to shine a light on hey, you know, you don't need to use jelly or butter on your toast. You know, while, while we hear at songs gone wrong, wouldn't recommend putting vasiline on your toast. No, it's still okay if you don't use the normal options, you know, something with blowing your nose in a tissue or dyeing your hair a typical hairt eye products. Know, this song...

...is about thinking outside of the box, and that is the heart of this s classic here. That's where I think it's all about. Yeah, totally, I can agree with that. I can get on board. Okay, perfect, cool. So do you have any other final words before we jump into our final verdicts? Oh, do I ever know? I'm ready to I don't know. I guess I hate saying a verdict. I feel like I should have like a gavel in a white wig on be sitting at a really tall what do they sit on? The judges? What do they call that? It's not a podium, a chair. Yeah, it's a chair. They get. They gonna have a name for that whole thing. It's a man out of fancy wood. Smells Really Nice. You know it's going to be something. The probably is called something. I feel like I should probably know that, but I don't. Yeah, we're both idiots. So listeners, help us out. You know if you know what that's called? The mantle, the judging place? Yeah, definitely, email box, the box. Let us know, beaucause I'm an idiot. I think. I think that tripled their white blodders kicking in man as, all the manic panic men to die. Yeah, corrupted my cells. All right, Dave. So do you think she don't use Jelly by the flaming lips is a legit hit, or do you think it's a song gone wrong? This is extremely painful for me because I had mentioned earlier how much I love the flaming lips how influential they have been to me in my life and other music that I've listened to. Now they've got some great albums underneath their belt, right it we can talk about at war with the mystics, the Soft Bulletin Yoshimi Battles, the pink robots, all these just unbelievable classic records with would just wonderful tunes. Okay, so when I think about she don't use Jelly, I really start to think, boy, this song structure is just so cookie cutter, really boring. Is Not one of their most imaginative tunes. Yet this...

...was what open the floodgates so that we could experience the greatness that they would provide in the future. Had it not been for this, God knows where the flaming lips would be today, because they are still, as you mentioned, by their spotify numbers, incredibly popularly. They just released a new album, American head, and they have been with Warner Brothers for decades, which is something I can never get over, the fact that they've been on their record label for that long. I mean, realistically, you think about it now, in this day and age, who really makes money off their records anymore? Why would they want to keep especially someone like Warner Brothers? You would think more of a niche kind of act. Like the flaming lips. It's because they are so damn good. But back to the song at hand. This is what's tearing me up. Hot drew because it's not my favorite flaming lips song. This is not my favorite flaming lips record. It's actually one of my least favorites. So I'm it's like one of those things where I love the band so much I want to go yeah, man, this is a legit hit. But in my heart of hearts, if I'm going to be true to myself, to you and to the listener, I just going to be I got to be honest and I don't know, my friends are going to drag me in the streets and roll me over with their car or throw me out of an airplane at a really high altitude, but I'm going to say this is a song gone wrong. And, Dave, that's all we ask of you. Yeah, to be honest and to be truthful with our listeners. So we appreciate your honest Uhhuh. My soul hurts. I feel I feel like everything inside me just turn black, like it just crept from my heart cavity out and now I'm just like, what have I done? I've betrayed the flaming lips. I won't tell them, but seriously, like, if we talk in at the time, I'm going to recommend other songs for you and say check these out and, like you just mentioned that you don't know much of their their catalog after this, like those three records I just named dropped. Definitely go check those out. There frigging amazing,...

...like unbelievable, but this little diddy just doesn't have it. Doesn't have that magic. That's fair. How about you, drew? I'M gonna go take a shower. Oh boy. Well, I feel like we know. We've mentioned a few times on this show how the s put out some music that really had no reason being a hit. Yet at that time the mainstream was like the the major was like the wild wild west, you know, all kinds of genres and styles filling out the top forty. Now we've already talked about peaches, by President of the United States of America, by the crash chest dummies. I'm sexy by Rightsid Fred, you know songs that you know that. Would they see the US billboard hot one hundred today? Probably not. which, and that's the reason. Number like what's seven hundred and twelve? I think. Why I love the ninety so much just great diversity and it almost seemed like anybody had a shot to you know, you know, have a hit song, right. So I for me, is the song a little nonsensical shore, but that's okay. It's fun, as I mentioned a little bit earlier. Is this my favorite song on the album? When I when I give it like an honest answer, no, but it's still, I think, a good song and I think it's a for me person I think it's a solid album and I'm going to say she don't use Jelly by the flaming lips is a legit hit. Cool. So we have a we have a tie. You know what that means? Well, I guess we get to go to the fans, baby, I think we do. So let's see what the fans have to say about the flaming lips. She don't use Jelly. All right, the fans have spoken and to break the tie, sixty two percent said that this is a song gone wrong. WHOA. I was expecting the opposite and I was like, please redeem me, fans, help me out. I feel so bad about my verdict.

I wasn't sure what to explain. This is another one there. I feel like it could have been a toss up. MMM, you know, whenever you get these kinds of songs like like the ones I mentioned before, right, like peaches or the crash chest Ummies, you know some of those. I'm like, these are these can go either way. Yeah, and this one, this one went song gone wrong. So I cannot deny the final verdicts. I'm a little bit in shock, I really really am, because this is another one that, nostalgically, looking back, you think it brings a lot of fun memories to people. Yeah, Huh, I guess not. I don't know, but that's a that's what that's what we have here. There's no comment. She don't know, no comments. So I don't know. Maybe people are kind of quietly voting that it's a song gone wrong and, you know, maybe they felt bad about that. Oh, Oh my God, Oh drew, I feel bad about myself now. I don't know. Please, people, just go out and listen to as much flaming lips as humanly possible. Please play. I agree. Yeah, I mean, I will, I will do it as well. Oh God, there is a Song I love to true, you should definitely check out, called the wand, but it's an acronym, so it's Wa and, you know, with the period is in between it acronym. I like acronym. Yeah, I, me too, me too. I love them, but that that song is so looking good. But yeah, I mean the flaming lips are just it's going to be some day we go to look back and be like, we look at the the music of our era and they're going to be Americana. You know what I mean, and it's a shame I had to to speak my truth to the world today. But and now I feel double bad or just because the fans voted the way they did. I didn't expect that, and now I feel like this the bad guy. I just tied the flaming lips up to a railroad track like a Damsel in distress, and you're the only person available to save them. And we all know you're...

...not that kind of guy. You're not a macho hero, save we last kind of dude. Really. Yeah, well, I mean you don't give off that vibell thank you very much. Sorry, but you know, it's just not your thing. You know, I could cut kind of see you rationalizing your options before you did or did not save the girl tied to the train tracks, but I don't see you like swooping in Lone Rangers Style and just I don't have a horse. Well, yeah, okay, you know, that's good. Again. I can't swoop. No, do not know how to swoop. Will get you some swooping lessons. But if any of you listeners out there happen to have a spare horse, if you are equestrians and want to send you a horse, I'm sure you can email us, twitter us, instagram us, whatever the heck you want to to us to let us know the horses in the mail. Ye have send us your horses, people, please. Yeah, all right. Anything else? Nope, I just want to thank the listeners yet again, apologize to the flaming lips and hand in my fan card to be burned or jammed up my backside, and hopefully in that case there's plenty of vassaline to go around. There you go. And again, guys. You know, don't forget to check us out on twitter at songs gone you drop us an email sgw podcast at gmailcom or you can visit our website, songs gone wrongcom. And Yeah, that's it for this episode of Songs Gone Wrong. So thanks everybody for listening, and please don't put vestl in on your toast. People.

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