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Songs Gone Wrong

Episode · 1 year ago

Spiderwebs by No Doubt

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Was Spiderwebs a No Doubt legit hit or a Song Gone Wrong? When did Gwen Stefani stop aging? Is this maybe a Halloween song in disguise? Make sure you listen as Drew and Dave discuss the plight of the spider.

Everyone, and welcome to songs gone wrong, where we, along with you, the fans, decide if these hit songs got it right. Did those songs go wrong? I'm one of your hosts, drew Zachman, and joining me as always, is Dave Schultz. Mr Schultz, how are you doing on this Glorious Day? How do you do, drew? I am great. How are you living the dream? Man, I'm excited to talk about this song. Yeah, and you know what, I'm excited to talk about all the songs we talked about. To be honest, you right, music. That's great. And you know, I have one quick question for you before we go on living the dream. Everybody says it, but is it true? At night now you lay your head up. Okay, yeah, perfect, I know. Okay, I'll tell you what. My kids are living the dream. They have a pretty sweet life. HMM, they're doing good. We're great here, right to hear it right, adults says, yeah, we're we're getting by. That's what we do. Okay, what we're doing. That's what you should have said. We're doing all show you know what we're doing. We're doing good, we're doing yeah, I know, but when I say, Hey, drew, how are you? You could have said I'm getting by. I feel like, let's not like ere, I'm okay, all right, yeah, you know, it's honest. It's true. I feel like I'm used to saying because I used to say that at work all the time, more or less, just some people leaving the fuck alone. HMM. It's like, wow, this guy's doing great. I'm like yeah, just leave me alone. You know, it's a good one. When they say hey, how are you today? You say well, I'm moderate to average. Hahi. You just keep going and it's like the cheesiest thing you can say, but it leaves them wondering like what the does that mean? Moderate to average? What a jerk, where you could just say, you know what, the cream starting to work, so I'm feeling a little bit better, and then nobody will ever ask you again. So that's one way to do it, I guess. Right. This is that I can't argue. We're going off the rails here anyway. Yep, if you haven't done so already, guys, hit subscribe to make sure you get all of our episodes and they come out, which in fact, is twice a week. And if you could also leave us a five star review. That would be deeply, greatly appreciated, and you can also follow us on twitter at songs gone or drop us an email, sgw podcast at gmailcom, or visit our website, songs gone wrongcom, and you can go to visit that website and submit to us maybe some songs that you, you know, would like to have reviewed on this show. But this episode we're talking about a goodie. We are talking about Spider webs by no doubts, which was off their album tragic kingdom, which came out in one thousand nine hundred and ninety five, way before Gwen Stefani's face froze. So it was written by former lovers gwen Stefani and their bassist, Tony Canal. But Dave, what are some of your memories of Spider Webs by ban him, but now, now, but Dan out went down just that being heard over and over again in repetition, that guitar line, that little weird, quirky kind of odd sound. But you know, it's less the song for me that I have memories of, but the whole scene at the time back in in one thousand nine hundred and ninety five, because no doubt was so popular. Everybody was trying to do that kind of sky hybrid thing. You saw a lot of plaid pants and chain wallets, if you know what I mean. But even then I was in the band scene. Back then I was a rock and roller, cool dude, but one of the bands I associated with...

...was an absolute, no doubt knockoff, even to the point where they made sure they had a female lead singer. And Yeah, they wanted to try to copy that success, to which it never happened. So you know, when you think about it, how many knockoffs of no doubt have in fact made it to the big time, to which I can't say any. So, yeah, yeah, I got none. There you go, man. I know, I know there's a lot of groups of girls singers, but I don't. I can't think of any like that have this particular sky sound. Yep, you can trace the Mona Lisa. Doesn't mean anybody's going to buy it, that's right. Yeah, I remember hearing this song in aid s and it's it's one of those songs that for me, it always puts me in a good mood. I think this was a big song in the summer of ninety six and it was just one of those moments where you know you're driving in a car, windows down, nice weather in the song comes on to radio. Good stuff, man, love it. Also, I remember watching this video over and over get on MTV, probably in between watching the grinds with Eric Nice. I would I honestly don't know why I like that show, but I really like watching the grinds. The only person I've ever heard admit that freely. Yeah, of their own. Yeah, that's why why we were I honestly that within it's weird because I really don't like dancing, but I just like it. Wasn't like I was like watching the show to like look at all the girls, because when that show was on, I was like a teenagers on the Google at those girls. But not was even like that. I just HMM, I don't know. I just like that. It was weird. I just liked watching the grinds. I don't know why. It's odd and it's also like a weird it's a weird concept. I don't know. I Like I can't imagine sitting down now and just watching a show of just basically you're just like watching a big party. Yeah, that's all you're doing. Like, I don't I don't think I could sit down and watch a show like that now. Yeah, but those shows, they've had popularity through every decade. It's just a weird foreign concept to you that people would actually enjoy it, even though you yourself in fact would watch it. I mean, I wouldn't want I wouldn't enjoy it now because I'm like, why am I going to waste an hour? But then watching people. You got home from school, you scooped out some ice cream. Yes, let's that's pretty much exactly can't wait to turn on the ground. Oh yeah, that dude from the real world's on. You talked about puck. Oh Man, Eric Nice, Dude. What? Yeah, HMM, okay, well, that was a little tidbit deep, but I was going to say a deep peek into your into your soul right there, because that must have been a hard thing for you to admit, and I pretty much came out and just said it. So I don't think it was with that difficult for me. I think. I think I'm okay with it. Okay, I'm okay with it. But normally when we talked about songs, that chart on the billboard hot one hundred, but this one. So in order to be eligible for the billboard hot one hundreds, a song needs to be released as a single in the US. However, Spider Webs, while being wildly popular mid s was actually not released as a single in the US. So we'll talk about some of the songs in general, but spider webs is still popular on spotify. HMM. Fighter webs has been streamed over forty two million times on spotify and no doubt has over five and a half million monthly listeners. So pretty good. And so, just for you know, just for Shits and Giggles, what I did was I looked at, you know, the the billboard hot one hundred chart anyway. So the video was released in April of one thousand nine hundred and ninety six. So I went back to around May. May Twelve was the chart that I looked let for the billboard hot one hundred at that time, and the top five of that week was, at number one, the crossroads by bone thugs and harmony. To was always be my baby by Mariah Carey. Three was because you love me by Celine Dion. For was ironic by Alanis Morsett, and five was...

...nobody knows, by the Tony Rich Project. So decent little top five there. Yeah, okay, I I mean I suppose we're sturdy enough. Yeah, that was all right. But so how does the song compared to other songs on the album? I I'll say I think this song fits nicely on the album and, as you mentioned, you know, no doubt was kind of that Ska band, like a Ska pop band and spider webs. It's a nice fit on the album. You know, you have other classic songs you might recall on this album. Just a girl, don't speak, but excuse me. Mr Is a great song, as is different people. I like those songs a lot. Overall, it's a good album. I don't really go back to it too too much, but it's a good album. It's a couple good tunes on there. So so, Dave, were you ever into Ska? Not Really. Sky Was not my my preferred music. I don't think I owned any sky records at the time. I wasn't really into the whole horn section, reggae influence music. I mean, listen, everybody liked some of the mainstream stuff that hit the time right. Sublime was a great band. I never owned any no doubt records, but when they came on the radio. I wasn't a verse to listening to them, but yeah, it wasn't like I wasn't annoyed by it, like I was. What was that whole thing around the same time was a zoot suit right wing? Yeah, Sweet Oh God, that was the most nauseating thing. Was a bribe of the Brian sets or orchestra. Yeah, but there was a name for it, which I can't think of off the top of my head because I killed too many brain cells in the s to remember what it was now. I did mention my or I was starting to say, rather that my band at the time was a knockoff of blank. I was going to say the influences that we had were but whole surfer's faith. No more flaming lips, things like that. So we're trying to go ahold, different avenue. But yeah, I hung with a lot of the sky fans out there. Yeah, how about you? Yeah, I was never into it. I remember when it was popular. I yeah, it's your point. People were like dressing, you know, with those plaid pants and stuff, and I'm like what you guys doing? But yeah, I don't know, I just never got into it. You know, back then I was into heavy stuff back then. So, yeah, a Scott did you? Did you dig the girls who had pulled the gwen Stefani belly shirt little jewel between you know, they're there, are in their forehead, thing going on. I remember it's like kids doing that and that was normal and cool. It's like, let's just copy gwen Stefani. I honestly don't remember anybody doing that really. Yeah, well, now it's easy to copy her. Just go get some botox. There you go. Yeah, that's all it. You know, the other day I saw her and I'm like man, she looks amazing, she looks so good, and my wife, maybe because she was jealous that I had said that or something, I don't know, but she immediately, without hesitation or pause, was like you know, how much plastic is in her face? Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, I'm always, always gonna be a fan of hers, but I Miss Tragic Kingdom Gwen Stefani. The new one is like she's like a she looks like a damned doll. As Weird. It's it's a little odd to me. I don't know. Something's something's off. Anyway, breaking into the lyrics here. You know what I feel like. This song could in fact be a Halloween Song, you know, if it wasn't so upbeat. I feel like it definitely could be a halloween song. And so the song is basically about a stalker that kept bugging gwen Stefani after her break up with Tony Canal as, I mentioned before. He was the bass player from no doubt someone had her number and we'll call her off and and Gwen didn't have it in her to tell them off. So the song is about US Walker essentially, and it's called Spider webs. So you put them together and you get a good Halloween tune, right. You know, you have spider webs, you have a stalker in...

...there, but to the point of Spider webs and spiders. I'd like to talk about this if I made Dave, if I make okay, you are permitted, please. All right, thank you. I will proceed now. My wife and I lived in a beautiful suburb of New Jersey. We'd go for walks off and with our daughters. We push them around then their strollers and I really enjoy going for walks with them and one of my favorite time to go on walks was in the fall time, as we'd walk around the neighborhood, you know, we'd see a bunch of houses that had their Halloween decorations up, and one of the most commonly used decorations where spiders and giants, spider webs. Now let me pose this question. Do you, Dave, do you know what animal or insect causes the most human deaths a year? This is a wonderful question. To these said, it could be animal and or insect. Correct. I think we're not talking we're not talking about like, you know, cancer or health or all right, right, right, right, yeah, no, I did, but it's not like I was only asking because I didn't have to choose something that has eight legs or whatever. It could be a mammal, could be, yeah, a different species. I think the answer here is obvious and the question maybe, in fact, a little too easy, because they answer is penguin. HMM close. Ah, not not at all actually. But man, now the the the penguin from Batman. He could be up here. But Second Hill, Lord Really, according to the World Health Organization, the number one killer of human beings all over the world are mosquitoes. Okay, mosquito kill. Yeah, mosquitoes kill around one million people a year, and most of those deaths are caused by malaria, although West Nile virus and Dan gay fever are also potentially deadly. Humans came in second. We came in second. We didn't win, as we kill around four hundred and seventy five thousand people a year, namely do to gun violence. So yes, snakes were thirt no, penguins. Snakes are third. So yeah, Indiana Jones was rightfully scared of them. Snakes kill around Fiftyzero people a year, and this is worldwide. Dogs are actually fourth. Dogs Kill Around Twenty Fivezero people a year, most of which are due to maullings and bites from rabid dogs. So here's a number. Guess how many people spiders kill each year? Six, cool, close seven. Seven, seven people die each year roughly from spiders. HMM, okay, here's here's another one. Number I got for a year. Fresh water snails kill around tenzero people per year. Now do we see any freaking fresh water snail decorations and people's front yards? Ants, ants, Dave, I see, yeah, make ants themselves kill around thirty people per year. Ants. Yeah, I have yet to see an aunt decoration in someone's window in October, and I think this is a problem. Right, spiders are wrongfully vilified in our culture. You want to see something scary, have you ever seen a close up video of how mosquitoes bite you? That is some alien looking shit. Mosquitoes should be the ones who are vilified, not spiders. Mosquitoes are these little fucking aliens that, similar to Vampires, mind you, suck blood and kill one million people per year. Wow, you know, you know, we shoulot know we should be doing is praising spiders for their efforts. There were the real heroes here, because, guess what? They catch, those little blood sucking mosquito fuckers and their spider webs. So, people, we need to change a narrative. SPIDERS are our friends. Sorry again. Right, you're tired up. Right, your local congressman. Get on the horn with them, leave a message and they'll call you back. Okay, like I feel like this should be a topic during presidential debates. Oh please, Jesus know, I would actually liked it. I would actually like to hear people talk about this. But, you know, I do want to see some mosquito decorations, by the way. So if...

...anybody helps me pick up this fight, please something. A picture of your mosquito Halloween decorations and I'll send you a songs gone wrong sticker which can also serve as a decoration. Right. There you go. Yeah, Bing Bang, will chet hashtag mosquitoes with a real enemy. That's what we need to get trending. But that's a long Hashtag. If you if you watch, if there's they have like close up videos of mosquitoes and it's actually terrifying. They it's called the first of all, the little leg needle that they stick in you. I think it's called like a probiscus, which is a weird fucking name, but that's what it's called and they stick it in you and it like moves around. It's really weird and it's insanely freaky and they kill a million people a here bummer. So spiders, you know through our friends. So everybody out there, grab your scissors, grab your construction paper, do as drew says, so you can get a freeze sticker. Yes, we need more mosquito decorations out there instead of like Christmas time there they cutting out snowflakes. You get some weird twisted songs gone wrong. Fans out there trimming up some mosquiters. They are the enemy. Man Telling you believe it. And even if they don't kill you, they you know, they'll bite you and you get a crazy itch for like at least a week. True, I get it, man, I understand you hate mosquitoes. Mosquitoes are bad. It's a it's a cultural problem that we have their view of a certain way. We need to change it. Well, isn't there a statistic out there, and I don't know if this is legit or not because you just hear it through the great vine, but on average, Americans or humans or whoever, swallow x amount of spiders while they sleep every year? I know you're talking about I don't I don't know the numbers of that. So let's Hashtag humans, your monsters, because we're killing our spider friends while we sleep. Well, we also kill like almost half a million of ourselves, and we're all so pretty terrible. A lot of the spiders. Man about the spiders, should say the spiders anyway. Yeah, this song is about Stalker. Ours. This thought. The songs about a stalker who would keep calling Gwen, but Gwen was too nice to tell him to stop. So here's a question for you, David. Did you ever have a hard time breaking up with someone? Nah, no, no, no, never, never is always easy for me because I was a massive jerk and I just had a self edit. But Yeah, how about you, drew? What time? When did you kind of like have to go through a carton a cigarettes and and a bunch of crumpled up pieces of paper because you were writing a dear John Letter or something? I probably should have done that, but I also I never smoked carns of cigarettes and I passed for this image. Yeah, I know, but it's like, okay, the whole silhouette, who at a table, cigarette burning ferociously, writing on a piece of paper? I tried to love you, but it love wasn't enough. Well, it wasn't. No, it's the other way around. Like this was this one girl I dated, Nice love girl, bless her heart, but she was I eventually like kept like pulling away and then eventually I felt like, you know, by me just like being I wasn't mean, but like just, do you know, not you being, just not there, like maybe she would take the hint. She never took the hint and then eventually, at some point time, I did have to be like that's it, I guess we're done. I was just like scared she would like to do something. Oh Yeah, okay, now we're talking. Yeah, that's why I was like, you know, I can't just come out and break up with you because I don't know what's going to happen. Yeah, right, it's not just like hey, I'm going to leave your toothbrush in the mailbox kind of thing. Yeah, because I might wake up with a horse head in my bed. Correct. So, yeah, so, eventually I was just like, you know, you know, eventually kept up pulling away, pulling away, and then eventually, even though what you mean was holding away, pulling away, just like Oh, I'm Oh, I'm busy, cold and...

...it's it just, it just being like distant. When we did hang out, they oh, what did you say? I wasn't pigging attention. You know, she still won't take the hint. It's such a jerk. Well, I couldn't break up with her because I'm like, what's gonna Happen? You might stab me. Okay, so instead you just you were just this mutton head, or what's that? I'm sorry, I wasn't paying attention, Babe, because I'm a dude, cool dude. Look at me, flex my muscles. I didn't do that. Well, I asked again. I'm big on mental images, you know, and that's the first thing that popped into my my nogging. So, anyway, fair enough. All right. So let's get to our verdicts here. Dave, so, spider webs by no doubt. Do you think this is a legit hit, or do you think this is a song that went wrong? It's a good song, but is it a great song? I would have to say no. When I think of no doubt. And yet again here I am on this here very show, trying to render my verdict or make my decision based on time served. Okay, we are here decades after the song was released. And did it have an impact on me? Anybody around me? Basically, anybody I know. I have no one in my life whoever says, dude, we got to I really need to hear spiderwebs from. No doubt. I need to hear it right now. Is going to bring me back to a magical time in my life, magical place in my life. Okay, aside from that, musically, I'm not overly impressed with it. I do think it was very stereotypical, again to the skas scene, which is very popular. At the time. I also found the noodling on that guitar part that I had mentioned earlier fairly annoying. Now this is where you're tricky. Do I really believe it's worthy of being a hit or not? Because, again, great band, good enough song. I don't have a lot of fond memories of it, but I'm sure there might be. I'm waiting for you to like jump in and be like I do. I do because that's just what you do, drew. But still I am going to go with all right, here to is not a hit. This is a song gone wrong. Oh boy. HMM, all right, hey, we're allowed to disagree, and it's okay, I knew that was coming. We're here for discussion. That's what we do. All right, let's see what you got there, drew meister. That all right. So I think the song hits song on most of the right notes, even if you take the nostalgia out of the equation, which for me, there's a lot there, and still look, I think it's still a good song. Honestly, I missed this Gwen Stefani, the Gwen who could be sweet but also kick your ass. The drop of a hat. I feel like now she's all shot up a boat talks and dating that Broke Country Douche nozzle Blake Shelton. But at least she's not dating Brantley Gilbert, so she has that going for anyway, songs, lyrics, decent. Gwen's voice really, I think, brings it to life. And you're talking about the guitar. I kind of like the guitarist, Tom Dumont. I think he did a good job on this song. I've always been a fan of his, like a good punk sky guitarist. I think he's all right and and I think, you know, it brings a lot to this song, to the hook. The Hook is there. So to me I think the songs think the song is a legit hit. Nice. You know, it's also a testament to the ability to screen your calls back in the mid S. that's also true. Very cool thing to be able to do. Remember like the whole we're calling someone back with stars sixty nine. He was amazing time. I'm amazing. But I do have one question for you before we continue the program I'm wondering did this song, or was this song ever a part of any of the situations that you would described earlier, when you were in fact giving that poor young woman the cold shoulder rather...

...than being honest and fourth right about breaking up with her. No, that was this. That probably happened about ten years after the song came out. HMM. Well, even then, maybe he was on the background at a restaurant. You guys were sharing a slice of pizza. Who knows? subliminal maybe a no, no, if anything, if anything, it might been like don't speak yes, which was a much, much, much better song. Yeah, it's good, it's going I you know. I say no, you say yes. But really, this is a wonderful thing that we disagree, because we have a tiebreaker in place, don't we drew? We sure do. So we are split, which means guess what comes down to the fans. So let's hear what they have to say about no doubts, spider webs. So the fans spoke and seventy six percent said yes, this is a legit hit. So there we have it. Pretty good for a song that didn't even chart. You know what I mean? I have to admit that. You know, the video had a lot of power. Well, it's just, it's just, it's a technicality. Really like it. I feel like the song definitely would have charted had it been released in the US as a single, which is a weird it's a weird process anyway how they do it that way. But whatever, it's a good song. I like it. Yeah, I know you don't like it, but they that's okay. We can disagree. It's okay. I say it's okay. It's just not like. Yeah, for example, you just said don't speak from no doubt. Yeah, I mean the moment that comes on, you immediately get, you know, transported to another place, a simpler time. There's many memories to be had with that song, good or bad. Spider webs doesn't have that same same effect. It's not in the same Pantheon it does for me, but it definitely definitely takes me back to, you know, being like a fifteen or sixteen year old and it maybe it's because it was, you know, all overs, all in the radio, on MTV, so like you couldn't escape it even if you wanted to, you know. So I feel like it was a part of the landscape at that time. No, don't speak, was inescapable. Listen. SPATTER webs, yes, I understand it's played all the time. I get it, but don't speak with mammoth. I mean that was yeah, it's great, sunch spider webs in comparison, is like man Mare, you know, which is my noise equivalent of being. And that's so good. Oh, okay, yeah, fair enough. All Right, I think we've we have our answer here, then. Any any last thoughts? Any other last thoughts from you? Do Yeah, you and the fans are absolutely wrong. I have to say that publicly, so that way my opinion is officially on record that I don't know what's going on with either of you. But you know what, it doesn't matter, because, when it all comes down to the nitty gritty, to the real essence of it all, I love you and I love the fans, I love this show. Yeah, all right, very very eloquent, very well said. I'm surprising to ask if I was on medication. MMM, no, okay, you just said you love me, you love the fans. Blula, you are right, buddy. Now, no concern for me or my sanity. Just know. I know it's because that's because I know deep down you do love. You love me and you love the fans. Yeah, it's true. All over one big one big happy family, even when you're wrong. That's right, we can, we can. We can discuss. Nothing gets thrown. We can just discuss. MMM, I might throw you out the window. That's not nice. I know it's not...

...nice, but I don't know. I May. Can hurt somebody if you throw them out the window. Yeah, I guess. All right, well, I guess what. Now the statistics are going to be at by one for human deaths. Now it's, yeah, seventy, five thousand and one. What if it's like on the first floor and it's not like five feet off the ground? Well then, see, there's this is statistic. Yeah, see, you know, you didn't get to that, did you, because you only looked at the surface all these stats man, because sure, spiders don't kill people, but spiders are responsible for more bone fractures in North America that any other species of insect. No, try, it's all right, get me out of here. Don't see. You see you are pushing this propaganda, does anti spider propaganda that we have, that we as a country have been dealing with for decades. Yeah, take us an IT. If anybody sends me a logo of like a spider with crutches, I'll make sure drew sends you as sticker, because Hashtag, Hashtag spiders break bones. Hashtag mosquitoes of the real enemy. There you go. Choose Your Hashtag wisely, folks. Yeah, well, everybody, thanks for listening to songs gone wrong. Like I said, check us out on twitter at songs gone drop us an email, sgw podcast at gmailcom. visit our website, songs gone wrongcom. But until next time, thanks again for listening to songs gone wrong and remember spiders are the real heroes. Nice Hashtag.

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